So, how many sales are you losing every day, hmmm?

[pam]

I'd like sponsors to answer this as well as affiliates.

I keep reading here (and not many other places) that all these sales are being lost, but I don't see sponsors stating this, and don't see many affiliates saying it either.

From my own stats, I don't find I'm losing sales. Each month my sales numbers and dollars amounts goes up. I don't always send the same traffic to the same sites, so I don't expect the same sales each day. With some sites, I know I'l do X number of sales a day but that's just a handful.

For my regular niche, if I notice my sales lagging with a certain sponsor, there almost certainly is a reason for it, and generally it's that I moved that sponsor around a bit so am pushing another.

For my review sites, newest reviews always do a burst of sales and traffic, and then it levels off. Some sites will continue to do well, but others will get a sale here or there, depending on the site, the niche, the review, etc.

Yes, I see what is happening with Zango, but it "appears" to be mostly happening to dating and cam sites, something I don't push much, so maybe that's why I don't see it.

[DutchTeenCash]

there is no such thing as losing a sale in a regular aff - prg owner relation (im not talkin overwriting cookies and whatever else)

Its a sale being declined - and for that there are many reasons. Like headboy said: percentages. So ok 8.2 or 12.7 or 21.2, whats the difference, what information is valuable for you and workable to a solution to know what % gets declined. Its not like its gonna change or can be changed even.

Its all in the game like refunds chargebacks and declines. Walmart gets rubber checks too or people with no money at the register. Like I said its all in the game.

And just to state the obvious: a healthy ps program doesnt get 21% declines offcourse.

[nekrom]

Every week/month my sales, as in new joins increase. When it slows down in a specific niche I swap sponsor adds out and new joins in that niche pick up again.

Yes I could be losing joins to companies like zango and whatnot, but I've no idea how to gage the amount other then to go by figures floating about on the boards.

For example the stats which I think were less then 1% from the "surfer awareness test" they did on GG&J's board.

-N

[DutchTeenCash]

Originally Posted by nekrom

For example the stats which I think were less then 1% from the "surfer awareness test" they did on GG&J's board.

-N

Missed that one, that % was that join declines?

[pam]

As a sponsor, I haven't noticed sales going downward ...

[DutchTeenCash]

Originally Posted by pam

As a sponsor, I haven't noticed sales going downward ...

compaired to what? over what period? on what sites or what niche? not down so that means not up either?

Statements like these are only valuable if theyre backed up by stats, you dont need to post them, but I do hope you keep track of stats somehow and see whats goin where and what results.

[pam]

Well, I don't have affiliates, so I should have said as a paysite owner. Compared to each month, sales are not down, but are up. Obviously they go up as more search engines pick them up, as more sites have links, etc.

But we're being told that all affiliates are losing sales, so I'd like to see more affiliates state this, and then like to see sponsors back this statement up. I don't need screenshots as proof, just people talking.

I am a stats junkie and don't just use Stats Remote. I'm in the admin areas of my billing agents all the time and at the end of the month comb through daily stats to see what's going on.

[DutchTeenCash]

Originally Posted by pam

Well, I don't have affiliates, so I should have said as a paysite owner. Compared to each month, sales are not down, but are up. Obviously they go up as more search engines pick them up, as more sites have links, etc.

But we're being told that all affiliates are losing sales, so I'd like to see more affiliates state this, and then like to see sponsors back this statement up. I don't need screenshots as proof, just people talking.

I am a stats junkie and don't just use Stats Remote. I'm in the admin areas of my billing agents all the time and at the end of the month comb through daily stats to see what's going on.

Ah as a ps owner.

What most aff mean - if Im right - is "losing" a sale meaning getting a decline for instance. Most aff have no insight info bout % on declines thats true.

I wouldnt worry too much. Declines are daily biz. Maxed out stolen spouse called in Im sure youre familiar with them. As long as your sales go up, work stats, see whats goin where and invest in the right way, youre good to go.

Now please post a url cause Ive never seen your site

[pam]

I had affiliates but now don't offer an affiliate program. I'll PM you with links.

As I said in another thread, I don't get a lot of declines but a very strong majority of those still get approved when they try again.

[DutchTeenCash]

Originally Posted by pam

I had affiliates but now don't offer an affiliate program. I'll PM you with links.

As I said in another thread, I don't get a lot of declines but a very strong majority of those still get approved when they try again.

thanks appreciate that

- everyone - gets declines its part of the biz, I wouldnt worry too much bout them

[nekrom]

Originally Posted by DutchTeenCash

Missed that one, that % was that join declines?

No that was the rough figure (I think from memory), from the zango test they did. Which involved a script detecting infected zango users when hiting a site with the script installed.

-N

[DutchTeenCash]

Originally Posted by nekrom

No that was the rough figure (I think from memory), from the zango test they did. Which involved a script detecting infected zango users when hiting a site with the script installed.

-N

hmm less then 1% redirected by Zango? I saw the script yes its been posted on many boards, to warn a surfer and have him clean the pc.

Sounds low.

[Nickatilynx]

From an affiliates point of view...lost sales.

A few years ago a group of us on Netpond said we were all gonna randomly signup through a referring tag to various paysites and see which affiliate program actually counted the most joins.

Affiliate program owners went insane immediately.Lining excuses up prior to us even doing the test.

Most scored around 12-14/20 of them.Some 6/20 LOL, the best one was 15/20 if I remember correctly.

This in the future led me on one of our affiliate programs to try and score every single join and attribute it to the right refferer.No matter how we tried at least 10-15% were untracked , and we were trying hard.

You are all losing sales.Either through honest inability to track , or outright shaving.

So...

Never worry about the ratios.Send traffic to whoever sends the biggest wire /cheque

[nekrom]

Yes it got according to Jim's post 0.8%. Greenie also put it on LOR and apparntly 200-300 hits a day were infected. Do a search on GG&J for the thread/s, was an interesting read.

-N

[DutchTeenCash]

Originally Posted by nekrom

Yes it got according to Jim's post 0.8%. Greenie also put it on LOR and apparntly 200-300 hits a day were infected. Do a search on GG&J for the thread/s, was an interesting read.

-N

Will do thanks

[tigermom]

Originally Posted by Nickatilynx

From an affiliates point of view...lost sales.

A few years ago a group of us on Netpond said we were all gonna randomly signup through a referring tag to various paysites and see which affiliate program actually counted the most joins.

Affiliate program owners went insane immediately.Lining excuses up prior to us even doing the test.

Most scored around 12-14/20 of them.Some 6/20 LOL, the best one was 15/20 if I remember correctly.

This in the future led me on one of our affiliate programs to try and score every single join and attribute it to the right refferer.No matter how we tried at least 10-15% were untracked , and we were trying hard.

You are all losing sales.Either through honest inability to track , or outright shaving.

So...

Never worry about the ratios.Send traffic to whoever sends the biggest wire /cheque

Interesting post. I have had a similar experience, albeit on a smaller scale of one signup. Bottom line, if you want full credit, start your own program. Otherwise, like you said, push the sponsor that gives you the overall most buck for your hour.

[Jel]

Originally Posted by Nickatilynx

From an affiliates point of view...lost sales.

A few years ago a group of us on Netpond said we were all gonna randomly signup through a referring tag to various paysites and see which affiliate program actually counted the most joins.

Affiliate program owners went insane immediately.Lining excuses up prior to us even doing the test.

Most scored around 12-14/20 of them.Some 6/20 LOL, the best one was 15/20 if I remember correctly.

This in the future led me on one of our affiliate programs to try and score every single join and attribute it to the right refferer.No matter how we tried at least 10-15% were untracked , and we were trying hard.

You are all losing sales.Either through honest inability to track , or outright shaving.

So...

Never worry about the ratios.Send traffic to whoever sends the biggest wire /cheque

Interesting post there mate, thanks

[TampaToker]

Originally Posted by nekrom

No that was the rough figure (I think from memory), from the zango test they did. Which involved a script detecting infected zango users when hiting a site with the script installed.

-N

The test i did was on hoes.com since he said it "didnt effect" him if i remember right. I managed to get around 7000 popups in a 12 hour period before i shut it off. Just figured i would share that