Paysite owners please read

[PornFactory]

That's too much to expect from sponsors... the best way for you is to start with fake reviews... use tours and webmaster content to get the basic idea and write a review... after some time when you will have a lot of traffic request such a deal...

[DutchTeenCash]

Originally Posted by PornFactory

That's too much to expect from sponsors... the best way for you is to start with fake reviews... use tours and webmaster content to get the basic idea and write a review... after some time when you will have a lot of traffic request such a deal...

do a short review - like most of the big reviewsites do, nothing in depth but based upon tourinfo, then send traffic and sales then request a pass

[fresh]

Originally Posted by Mihx

Sure, that's definately a great way to build trust with your surfers .

Well you wont give any wrong information on that review site, check the details, see what other big reviewers think about the site.
My guess it would be the easiest with reality sites.
Of course it wont be very decent review, but if you work smart you can post something useful for surfers

[XXXTurn]

ok thanks for the tips guys

[Axeman-AH]

Originally Posted by rogue

why not buy a few memberships and then review them, to get yourself started

That's exactly the way it should be done. Once you get a few up and traffic showing you will get more people willing to let you review the site.

For review sites that pay to enter to review and actually start sending traffic, I will even consider refunding the price you paid to review the site.

For established review sites, I am more willing to provide a temp pass.

Most of them however always ask for longer passes since they have so many to review. Very few sites will I do that for. Rabbit, Jane's, TBP are examples of the sites I am willing to give longer temp passes for. For smaller less established ones I am willing to give a few days. If your not ready to review the site at that time, email me when you are.

[Mihx]

Originally Posted by fresh

Well you wont give any wrong information on that review site, check the details, see what other big reviewers think about the site.
My guess it would be the easiest with reality sites.
Of course it wont be very decent review, but if you work smart you can post something useful for surfers

Well, whether it works or not (and I'm sure it can), I still think it's a borderline scam - at least if you pretend you actually know what you're talking about.

"Reviewing" a site based solely on the tour, a bit of sample content and any specific details you may be "borrowing" from actual review sites, is likely not telling the surfer a whole lot more than what he could figure out on his own without joining the site.
Afterall, without seeing the member area you don't really have a clue what you're talking about - just as if you were pretending to review a book without reading it, or a movie without watching it (though admittedly it's probably a bit easier to find something to say that may apply to a porn site without having seen it, than it is to do the same about a 600 pages book without having read it ).

Do I sound a bit pissed?
Well, I am - not because doing fake reviews might cost the fake reviewers(?) less than what I pay (I can count the times where I felt a membership was a complete waste of money, as a surfer and/or as a webmaster, on a couple of hands), or because it might be a bit easier to slap together a fake review (not necessarily much easier though, unless it's ultra short - you gotta spend some time making stuff up afterall, I can just use the facts), but because I feel it is what I called it above - a scam.
Not a really nasty, malignant, deceiving scam, but a scam nonetheless. And certainly not a review. Or at least only a review of the paysite tour - and any idiot can take a look at that one himself.

Call it "extensive site descriptions" and I probably wouldn't be pissed .

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by fresh

Start with fake reviews, review the site by looking at the tour. Get the info needed - how many videos, pictures they have etc

http://www.paulmarkhamteens.com/tour/ the Tour.

http://www.paulmarkhamteens.com/memb...ll=1&orderby=7 the site.

The quality of the videos you can see here.
WMV 720x576(high) 512x410(low)
Mobile Phone Video (3gp&3g2)
iPod video (300x240)

410 videos, 4 new every day.
1400 image sets, 5 new every day.

Yes that 120 new videos and 150 new sets every month.

Sign up here http://www.paulmarkhamcash.com/affiliates/

[ristac]

I agree with Rogue, pay for a few yourself, at the end of the day you will only be paying 50% of their price as the rest will be going to you as a sponsor

It also enables you to gain visitors respect, if I read a review written by someone who actually had to dip their hand in their pocket I would believe it to be an honest review rather than someone who was given free access and the possibility that the review was a little biased.

If your budget doesn't stretch get a business partner on board but only as a last resort.

[pam]

Originally Posted by ristac

I agree with Rogue, pay for a few yourself, at the end of the day you will only be paying 50% of their price as the rest will be going to you as a sponsor
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Wrong. It's against the terms of virtually every sponsor so sign up under your own referral link.

How fair is it if you sign up for $1 to review it, and get paid $35 for doing so?

A review of the tour can be grossly misleading. I've seen some horrible tours with amazing content, and some amazingly designed tours with horrible, off-niche content and nothing but feeds.

[ristac]

Originally Posted by pam

Wrong. It's against the terms of virtually every sponsor so sign up under your own referral link.

How fair is it if you sign up for $1 to review it, and get paid $35 for doing so?

Sorry would have to say it is not wrong, well not the way I was meaning as in the full membership rev-share.... Check this post http://www.netpond.com/showthread.php?t=110811 post #7 Jel does it for competitions (signs-up)... I am sure sponsors would not mind as long as you tell them and now you have mentioned it yes even better... Sign-up for the trial $1 cancel within a few days with your nice review and Yes if you do this route then I agree you cannot sign-up under your own affiliate..

[LezGeri]

Occasionally paysites that don't have an affiliate program give me freepass.

Sometimes they offer this on the first contact they make with me. They are contacting me because they have already seen traffic coming from one or more of my sites. You see, sometimes I link to a site just because I like it & know it will be of interest to the people who visit my site/s.

Anyway, I was wondering how paysite owners here would feel about giving freepasses to a new review site that offered to do fair, honest and unbiased reviews of their sites & did not sign-up as an affiliate. So a freepass in exchange for a review only.

As I see it there is inevitably a conflict of interest issue when the reviewer is also an affiliate.

Obviously the review site still needs an income, but they could get this from non-paysite affiliate programs. In other words not from the sites they are reviewing.

[Mihx]

Originally Posted by LezGeri

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As I see it there is inevitably a conflict of interest issue when the reviewer is also an affiliate.

...

There is no way in hell I would spend my time writing reviews if I didn't make a fair chunk of money from my review site (and I have my doubts whether that could be done, on the same scale at least, through eg. cam or sex toy store ads or whatever else you would suggest could replace the paysite affiliate income).

That said, there are so many paysites out there - good and bad - that I have little to loose other than a few hours of my time, if I write a bad review of a site I feel deserves a bad review.

You could argue that I might also loose the money I spent joining the site (if it wasn't a request from the site owner, personally I've only taken the initiative to ask for a free pass once, and that was after encouragement to reviewers here at Netpond), but the fact is that "bad" reviews - even if I never make a single sale from those sites, and I have quite a lot of those - may end up instead increasing traffic to and sales from the sites I've (deservedly I feel) ranked higher.

Conflict of interest? Well, I guess it's hard to deny entirely, but there certainly doesn't need to be a particularly pronounced one given the example I just gave.

[fresh]

Mihx when you write a bad review aren'tyou afraid that sponsor go mad about that and shave you a little bit because of that

[Mihx]

Originally Posted by fresh

Mihx when you write a bad review aren'tyou afraid that sponsor go mad about that and shave you a little bit because of that

Something like 80% of my review site income is coming from perhaps 8-10 sponsors (actually, probably more like 6-8 most months) - usually those getting the highest scores (ie. those with what I feel are the best sites, just in case there's any doubt ).

So that basically means that even if numerous sponsors got so pissed off that they removed my affiliate accounts entirely, I would likely be loosing none or extremely few sales.
And if that should happen (which I highly doubt) I most likely wouldn't remove the reviews either. Bad reviews can work for you (you as in the reviewer ) as I mentioned in my post above.

Besides, I've actually got extremely few reviews on my site that truly slams the site in question. In fact I've been continuosly surprised by just how many decent to great sites are actually out there - though admittedly I've also deliberately been steering away from those I suspected were really horrible.

[LezGeri]

Originally Posted by Mihx

There is no way in hell I would spend my time writing reviews if I didn't make a fair chunk of money from my review site (and I have my doubts whether that could be done, on the same scale at least, through eg. cam or sex toy store ads or whatever else you would suggest could replace the paysite affiliate income).

That said, there are so many paysites out there - good and bad - that I have little to loose other than a few hours of my time, if I write a bad review of a site I feel deserves a bad review.

You could argue that I might also loose the money I spent joining the site (if it wasn't a request from the site owner, personally I've only taken the initiative to ask for a free pass once, and that was after encouragement to reviewers here at Netpond), but the fact is that "bad" reviews - even if I never make a single sale from those sites, and I have quite a lot of those - may end up instead increasing traffic to and sales from the sites I've (deservedly I feel) ranked higher.

Conflict of interest? Well, I guess it's hard to deny entirely, but there certainly doesn't need to be a particularly pronounced one given the example I just gave.

I appreciate where you are coming from Mihx. But there is one obvious conflict of interest I see. And that is that it's fairly clear you are very unlikely to review a paysite that does not have an aff. prog.

There are some excellent paysites that don't run them. There's no law that says they have too.

When you rate sites with a high scoring aren't you telling your readers that these are the best sites of their kind available?

I mean how much credibility would a movie critic have who only reviewed films when he/she was on a cut of the box-office takings?

[Mihx]

Originally Posted by LezGeri

I appreciate where you are coming from Mihx. But there is one obvious conflict of interest I see. And that is that it's fairly clear you are very unlikely to review a paysite that does not have an aff. prog.

There are some excellent paysites that don't run them. There's no law that says they have too.

When you rate sites with a high scoring aren't you telling your readers that these are the best sites of their kind available?

I mean how much credibility would a movie critic have who only reviewed films when he/she was on a cut of the box-office takings?

That part is certainly true. But the fact is, aside from the unlikelihood of me choosing to review a site without an affiliate program (there's your conflict on interest indeed, though I don't have a clue how serious it may be for the reasons I'm going to talk about now), I wouldn't even know where to start if I had to look for paysites without an affiliate program.

And I'm not just talking as a webmaster pretending to be clueless about that particular subject, but as a porn loving surfer as well, who has on a number of occasions over the last couple of years, joined sites purely for personal reasons (entertainment and stuff ) without any intention of promoting or reviewing them (though I've found a few of them so good I did afterwards choose to do just that).

What can I do to find those sites without affiliate programs? Run Google searches for keywords related to some of my favourite niches? Chances are I'll come up with either some of the popular sites (with affiliate programs) or just end up with blogs, link lists, galleries and other affiliate created pages and sites.

With the possible exception of sites in some small niches I've chosen not to review I may or may not have stumbled across over the years (can't remember any off the top of my head), I can only actually remember one site I was seriously considering reviewing despite them not having an open affiliate program at the time - ALS Scan.
Fortunately said affiliate program (I think they may have had a closed one earlier) opened just a month or two later .

In any case - whether or not I do in fact miss out on some really spectacular sites without affiliate programs, the sites I do award high scores most certainly deserve them in my opinion. And with a membership the surfer might of course risk not getting the very best (that's going to be a matter of personal opinion anyway), but definately what I personally feel is the best based on what I've seen (and I've been able to find some pretty great sites in nearly all the niches I've chosen to review), which is to say if I'm "cheating" anyone here it's probably not the surfer but rather those sites without affiliate programs.
And I don't think a small fish like me would have had much of an impact on their income one way or another anyway .

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by fresh

Mihx when you write a bad review aren'tyou afraid that sponsor go mad about that and shave you a little bit because of that

You are assuming most sponsors shave which is wrong. Affiliates are too clever to allow it to happen. The guys with good traffic go by the size of the check, start shaving that and the traffic moves.

Then you're assuming that a bad review will get a lot of traffic to the site.

Lastly the reason for a bad review is to show the surfer honesty and objectivity. Maybe the surfer has already joined the site, knows the truth and sees Mihx review is honest. So then goes and reads other reviews.

Being honest with the surfer is the way to make real money. One sign up on a con is never going to earn as much getting repeat sign ups from the same surfer. When you find someone to trust do you go elsewhere for information?

[fresh]

not really, it was kind of a joke here
But yes I believe there are shaving sponsors ( not MOST sponsors like you thought I was saying)