Court upholds prisoners' right to porn

[haui]

STOCKHOLM, Sweden - Convicted sex offenders in Sweden are free to read pornography in their cells following a court ruling that has angered the prison service.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070626/...Y21mRuTBHtiBIF

[Dupont]

They're prisoners.. they don't deserve to jerk off to porn

[Big-D]

Originally Posted by Dupont

They're prisoners.. they don't deserve to jerk off to porn

I agree entirely! Besides that,

Kwarnmark said that other pornographic material, such as adult movies, channels and Web sites, are not permitted in Swedish prisons.

So if they
1. Dont have any money to spend
2. Cant surf porn on the web

Then that means they arent potential customers. Big Losers if you ask me.

Big D

[fresh]

all prisoners should have ability to jack off to porn, that way they won't fuck each other that much lol

[CoolJay]

Prisoners maybe it's ok, but sex offending prisoners shouldn't be encouraged.

[Head Boy]

What next? - champagne and prostitutes?

[subtlety]

That's fair enough...porn is life

[helene]

I'd rather have them jerk off in private than attacking someone. Now, I don't know if there's any reliable research on the influence of porn on sex offenders (I know there's plenty of unreliable research), but I'm pretty sure unfullfilled desires make matters worse, not better. And it may be that nonviolent porn can help them focus their desires in a more healthy direction.

I have heard that porn has been used with good effects on elderly dementia patients (in Denmark, I believe); the patients got calmer and it reduced the incidence of violent episodes. Extrapolating from there to sex offenders is a bit of a stretch, though...

[ScreaM]

Originally Posted by fresh

all prisoners should have ability to jack off to porn, that way they won't fuck each other that much lol

lol good point.

[helene]

Originally Posted by Dupont

They're prisoners.. they don't deserve to jerk off to porn

That's a valid opinion of course; but frankly, I'd serve them luxury meals with gold sprinkled on top and all the porn they want if it reduced the likelihood of repeat offences...

[SykkBoy]

Note to self: start a massive crime spree...in Sweden...

[CoolJay]

Originally Posted by helene

That's a valid opinion of course; but frankly, I'd serve them luxury meals with gold sprinkled on top and all the porn they want if it reduced the likelihood of repeat offences...

Going to jail is meant to be a deterrent in the first instance. Can you imagine if jails were like that, luxury meals, lots of porn, massage every day and a dip in the pool and relax in the spa bath.... Fuck, I'd start commiting crimes if jail was like that.

Jail is MEANT to be a shit hole!!!! Let them rot in it!

[cool1]

nothing wrong with porn in jail.
no need to have that many horny guys all getting angry cause they can't get no relieve

[helene]

Originally Posted by CoolJay

Going to jail is meant to be a deterrent in the first instance. Can you imagine if jails were like that, luxury meals, lots of porn, massage every day and a dip in the pool and relax in the spa bath.... Fuck, I'd start commiting crimes if jail was like that.

Well, loss of freedom can be a pretty big thing, even if you're comfortable. But even in Scandinavia, prisons aren't that luxurious, though it's probably pretty nice compared to living on the street or in a crack house.

Originally Posted by CoolJay

Jail is MEANT to be a shit hole!!!! Let them rot in it!

I don't mind criminals being punished, particularly for sex crimes (which'll typically get you just a few months (if that) up to a couple of years in Norway), but the satisfaction of exacted vengeance shouldn't come at the expense of the next victim's suffering.

Severe punishment as a deterrent is highly overrated; most people are incredibly poor at judging risks and won't consider the possibility of going to prison. And even if a sex offender should stop for a moment while in the process of satisfying his uncontrollable urges and consider the risk of being punished, he'll likely conclude that the chance of getting caught is low, and the chance of actually getting convicted for something that's so difficult to prove is even lower.

Now, I'm not saying we should pamper sex offenders and other criminals as a principle, I'm just saying that if pampering them reduces the likelihood of recurrence, then it's probably worthwhile, even though it's not particularly satisfying.

We've had a drastic decrease in repeat criminal offences in Norway since we moved to a "soft on inmates" policy, with education, better food (poor quality food can cause violent behaviour), more open/low security solutions. This isn't a solution for everyone; there are certainly some sick fucks that need to be locked away for good (and I have no idea what they're doing with sex offenders and what the results are), but on average, it seems to be well worth the investment

[Tremor]

Originally Posted by helene

Well, loss of freedom can be a pretty big thing, even if you're comfortable. But even in Scandinavia, prisons aren't that luxurious, though it's probably pretty nice compared to living on the street or in a crack house.

I don't mind criminals being punished, particularly for sex crimes (which'll typically get you just a few months (if that) up to a couple of years in Norway), but the satisfaction of exacted vengeance shouldn't come at the expense of the next victim's suffering.

Severe punishment as a deterrent is highly overrated; most people are incredibly poor at judging risks and won't consider the possibility of going to prison. And even if a sex offender should stop for a moment while in the process of satisfying his uncontrollable urges and consider the risk of being punished, he'll likely conclude that the chance of getting caught is low, and the chance of actually getting convicted for something that's so difficult to prove is even lower.

Now, I'm not saying we should pamper sex offenders and other criminals as a principle, I'm just saying that if pampering them reduces the likelihood of recurrence, then it's probably worthwhile, even though it's not particularly satisfying.

We've had a drastic decrease in repeat criminal offences in Norway since we moved to a "soft on inmates" policy, with education, better food (poor quality food can cause violent behaviour), more open/low security solutions. This isn't a solution for everyone; there are certainly some sick fucks that need to be locked away for good (and I have no idea what they're doing with sex offenders and what the results are), but on average, it seems to be well worth the investment

Violent criminals (I'm talking about murder/attempted murder and rape/sexual abuse), if not executed, should be treated like shit and locked up for life. Preferably executed.

And whoever thought up "soft on inmates" should be shot.

[lyno]

Originally Posted by Tremor

Violent criminals (I'm talking about murder/attempted murder and rape/sexual abuse), if not executed, should be treated like shit and locked up for life. Preferably executed.

And whoever thought up "soft on inmates" should be shot.

Just out of curiosity and for my own statistic, what is your opinion
about violent porn? (fake rape, abuse, snuff .... )

[slaxxx]

I don't see what the big deal is in letting them receive porn in the mail. Big difference between pampering and a copy of Hustler.

[EasterBunny]

Im willing to bet if we executed all sex offenders there would be a lot less!

[lyno]

Originally Posted by EasterBunny

Im willing to bet if we executed all sex offenders there would be a lot less!

I would bet against it And just for my personal statistc same question
for you: What is your opinion about violent porn? (fake rape, abuse, snuff .... )

[Mihx]

Originally Posted by Tremor

Violent criminals (I'm talking about murder/attempted murder and rape/sexual abuse), if not executed, should be treated like shit and locked up for life. Preferably executed.

And whoever thought up "soft on inmates" should be shot.

I'm also having a bit of hard time with the whole treating (violent) prisoners nicely thing, but if we do have to look at things objectively and take into account that anyone but the most severe cases will be hitting the streets again sooner or later (usually sooner here in Scandinavia, though I think there has been a, too slight, increase in sentence lengths for violent crimes recently), research does seem to indicate that they are less likely to repeat their crimes through treatment and education while they are locked up, and "locking them up to rot" tends to have the exact opposite effect.

Which isn't to say that if I was the tyrant dictator of Denmark I wouldn't have all those damn rapists and pedophiles excuted .
Not so sure about murderers though - I can think of quite a few situations where I consider murder perfectly acceptable. Like killing a pedophile that molested your child.
Or just regular self defense if you're assaulted and conclude that your own life or health is at stake. Though I don't know enough about legal terms to say if something like that would be classified as murder - though I guess it might if the methods you employed were brutal enough (and why shouldn't they be if you were in danger).