How legal is xvideos.com?

[VG.Content]

Originally Posted by Tuula

oh ok I gotcha! And I'm giving you a hint, hint, nudge, nudge for a new thread topic.

I've got enough threads i'm involved in now where I need to defend myself lol

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by VG.Content

You mine as well shut down your affiliate program then.

No we change the way we work. We met the customers needs not the affiliates needs.

The only hope the present system has is these sites can't get content and that seems a long shot as most sponsors are desperate for traffic at any costs. Or the BW bill exceeds the advertising revenue.

What are the odds?

Of course if anyone with a lot of traffic wants to talk about doing a deal and putting up a site like this I'm all ears. Except for me nose. LOL

[VG.Content]

Paul I think you should really looking into moving into TGP2, this is the wave of the future. Fuck TGP's

[Varzi Network]

Originally Posted by VG.Content

Paul I think you should really looking into moving into TGP2, this is the wave of the future. Fuck TGP's

No he needs some Splogs man get with the times!!

[Dutch Harry]

So putting on fullsize movies is not killing the business? right!

Originally Posted by VG.Content

This is not killing the business, his site is blessed by the sponsor.

He's not stealing content and hoping to make money off AFF joins.

He is saying who the video is from.

A lot different from a theft site.

[VG.Content]

Originally Posted by Dutch Harry

So putting on fullsize movies is not killing the business? right!

1 full size video from each site no.

Entire site rips yes.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by VG.Content

Paul I think you should really looking into moving into TGP2, this is the wave of the future. Fuck TGP's

I'm getting into something else but not TGPs. Going to prove traffic is easy to get, good traffic. Just not free. LOL

Dutch Harry, if Tube style sites like this are killing the business then the surfer/member is looking for one video per session. If he's looking for 4-5 or 100 over the month the BW bill would cripple these sites.

So we are selling 100 videos and more, Tube sites are delivering *on average* 1 or 2 at a time and never more than 30 in a month. So if they are killing the business they are taking surfers/members from us. Because they are meeting the surfers/members needs.

If that's killing the business you're spot on, now tell us it's the Tube sites fault.

The downfall of these sites, if there is one, will be the lack of "advertisers" in relationship to the spending power of the surfers they attract.

100,000 surfers looking for free porn every day costing 3 cents each in BW will cost $3,000 a day in BW. Will their upsells plus dating sites be enough to fund that when the surfers have bookmarked the Tube site and don't want to buy a dating, Cam or membership?

If the answer is yes, welcome to the future and not the death of the industry, maybe your death but not the death of the industry.

[Varzi Network]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Dutch Harry, if Tube style sites like this are killing the business then the surfer/member is looking for one video per session. If he's looking for 4-5 or 100 over the month the BW bill would cripple these sites.

So we are selling 100 videos and more, Tube sites are delivering *on average* 1 or 2 at a time and never more than 30 in a month. So if they are killing the business they are taking surfers/members from us. Because they are meeting the surfers/members needs.

You really believe that load of.. stuff that comes from horses?

I will not claim tubes are killing the adult biz but they have just about killed P2P sharing as content thieves have moved in a new direction. See in the old days you paid for hosting and your host knew who you were or could pull the plug. Today you can upload to Megarotic use their bandwidth and be 100% anonymous from the host and the law. They have no limits on how many videos the visitors can watch and you can upload all the videos you need under multiple accounts and hotlink them to your site for free. I just wish more webmasters who do not pay for the perks would sign up and upload full length movies as it might drive them in the ground.

Most have no real concept of how much bandwidth some of these sites have or what keeps them funded. They are called investment strategies and there are technology investment firms or venture capital investors lined up and down the block looking for projects like these. There are many projects currently running that do not produce a dime of money for anyone and yet have millions in funding behind them.

Firefox is prime example and shortly after that came along Maxthon was given funding for the Asian markets. These sites actually are making money which is what you dont understand and they are making it had over fist by allowing others to give away your content for free. So you really have no idea what you are up against. Google GETS PAID by webmasters creating sites for their network and its pretty clear who profits the most from adwords. The broswer that Google is pushing to give away is actually used by people who are stealing your content and Google actually profits from it in somewhere down the line. Im sure you never realized how many sites are getting paid by Adbtrite and others too.

[Paul Markham]

Good points Varzi. So these sites are funded by people who will bear the costs for years to build an investment strategy. Welcome to the real world.

Of course if they are stealing then you might be able to sue the backers.

Of course would be nice to have some multi millionaires or maybe billionaires funding porn companies that may or may not make a dime and may or may not be stealing content.

Do you actually believe that bull shit?

Funny one side is telling us it's kids in their Mums basement we need to be worried about, then it's people in the Far East working for peanuts and now Varzi is telling us it's billionaires, well maybe multi millionaires, investing in Tube sites.

What ever, if they take over the porn industry it will not die. Some of those living off it may die, but not the porn industry.

[Banged.TV]

yay this thread picked up whilst i was asleep. Woo wooo!

[Varzi Network]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Do you actually believe that bull shit?

If you found your content on Youtube do you believe you have a chance in hell of getting awarded damages?

Get real Paul and stop depending on other people to teach you how the game works. I bet you have never spent a single day of your life digging around these sites to see how they work nor do you care. Because in Paul's mind traffic guys are clueless noobs and the content guys could make a fortune without the middle man.

I would love to see you even try to sue these investors or Google because they own Youtube which created this model. They will bury you in legal fees until you come out gasping for air. We both know there are very few who could take these guys head on and you are not one of them. It took an Army to take down Acacia and that was because many were left with no other choice. Considering Acacia had lawyers and very little money you can imagine how much harder it would be to take on lawyers with deep pockets.

[Banged.TV]

i would like to add that i believe from people i have talked to:

megarotic is operating at a loss but being funded by other businesses.
youporn is breaking even just about.
pornotube was operating at a loss. i have no idea now.
xtube.com is operating at a profit.
xvideos.com is operating at a loss but the sheer number of signups they do per day from the whole network of sites means they arent losing money obviously.

[Varzi Network]

Originally Posted by Banged.TV

i would like to add that i believe from people i have talked to:

megarotic is operating at a loss but being funded by other businesses.

Well i cant prove it i have the same belief about Rapidshare. Not a tube site obviously but still tons of video and images are delivered just the same. There was a day when i happened to check them out and they had a notice they were getting another GigE added due to overload. I imagine there is no way that much bandwidth has paid off already.

[Banged.TV]

also dont foreget those people get bandwidth alot cheaper then me lol. When theres bullk theres always discounts.

[Varzi Network]

Sure but even Cogent will not go below $8 per Meg even on GigE. So even getting rock bottom you would be looking at $8k per month. These sites are probably not running pure Cogent for one plus they have hardware and Colo fees. That's even before they pay the guys who maintain the infrastructure.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Varzi Network

If you found your content on Youtube do you believe you have a chance in hell of getting awarded damages?

It was a joke, do you think we are going to start suing people like Google, you should read up on the word irony.

OK you high lited the problem, so come up with a solution not a problem we know about.

[Paul Markham]

All I see here is people bitching about them losing their jobs because the industry is evolving. I don't see any solutions, answers or even ideas. Welcome to the real worled fellahs and unless you have an answer go learn a new trade.

The old one is shutting you out and you don't have an answer.

[Varzi Network]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

OK you high lited the problem, so come up with a solution not a problem we know about.

If porn goes away tomorrow i wont be up the creek. I can find me a rich daddy's girl. Thats the great thing about not being married.

Seriously Paul i already helped you with that password leakage the least you could do is find a solution to this one.

[hardcoreblogger]

Originally Posted by Banged.TV

pornotube was operating at a loss. i have no idea now.

pornotube is run by aebn and i'd bet it's profitable by now

[Banged.TV]

Originally Posted by hardcoreblogger

pornotube is run by aebn and i'd bet it's profitable by now

i would think so, its full of short clips and ads now.