Selling teen sites.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Head Boy

Oh dear Paul - you really don't get it do you?

How are they targeted if I haven't set up the site? Why do 40+ surfers visit some sites and not others? - Does anybody know? Which adult webmasters collect stats on their surfers' ages?

Are you drunk or high?

I'm very serious because I don't think you're stupid.

The reason they came to your site is what they're looking for. So if the SE stats on your site say the key phrase the surfer is looking for is "dirty teen fun" that's what they are looking for, that's how they are motivated and that's what you target them.

Unless you know a program to find out their ages you're going to have to target them according to the appeals of the sites you promote and why they land on yours. However I think younger people might go for "Wild Teens" more than "School girl teens".

Key phrases of what 40+ year old surfers look for more than 18 year old surfers is way too complicated to explain here. But in the main it's about what their fantasies are.

Use Google Analytics to see why they come. Then sell them that.

I'm sorry if you don't get it and I advise you to stay out of teens.

Sorry HCB but it's not me saying I don't get it. I think most people get it like you do. I'm giving up on him.

[Head Boy]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

The reason they came to your site is what they're looking for.

We know that, and it's a trivial observation. Now I don't have a site yet, and I want to create one for specific surfers - that point doesn't seem to have registered with you. I guess all your posturing and flanneling is because you don't know. I looked at your signup page, and, apart from an over 18 staement, you have no age related questions, so I don't see how you can state your hypotheses as positive factual information. (unless you have paid for some market research surveys).

I had hoped for some general discussions on this matter, but once again you seem to have killed the thread with your off topic statements. Any chance that you could make your usual post "I've done with this thread", and mean it this time?

[Rofl]

Lol when I read the thread title, I thought ooh another excuse to start an argument with P.M.

And I was right.

Teens for me: closet p-edo's who don't want to overstep the mark and download und-erage stuff.

I don't like teens personally, I prefer a good MILF!

MILF's rule!

[Head Boy]

Originally Posted by Rofl

Lol when I read the thread title, I thought ooh another excuse to start an argument with P.M.

I should have titled it "Selling teen sites to mature surfers", but I had hoped to include ways to sell to 18-30 surfers specifically, rather than just the usual sponsor-centric sales stuff.

I really wish Paul had kept out of the thread if he isn't prepared to discuss the topic objectively.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by hardcoreblogger

a 25 yr old searching for "dirty teen porn" will probably buy the same as a 55 yr old searching for this term.

Not always true. The style and presentation of the site that appeals to a 25 year old might not appeal to a 55 year old also the text appeal might vary.

Which is why you offer the surfer different products. As I explained, is he looking for dirty meaning messy or dirty meaning rude? We know he's looking for teens and porn, just 2 ways to interpret the word dirty. So maybe directing him to two sections as he "walks in" is a good idea with this phrase.

Then offering him sites in the sub section that target the sub section. In both presentations that appeal to 25 year olds and 55 year olds. It's down to the individual to decide on what appeals to different people.

Generalising, which is all we can do here, it's a tough one. IMHO if I want something specific like a "cute teasing teens" I want to be shown "cute teasing teens" that appeal to me. It's the site owners job to have the products I need. If the site is a promotional site, blog or TGP it's the sites job to show me what I want.

I don't want a site selling me 20 different types of teen sites. It might try to redirect me with a list of "friends" but I came in looking for "cute teasing teens" so show me "cute teasing teens".

I've just thought to myself, this is all common sense and I wonder why I'm writing it. Anyone who does not understand what I'm saying just keep throwing mud at the wall.

Yes I'm out of discussing this with HB. Others I will reply to.

[Head Boy]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Yes I'm out of discussing this with HB. Others I will reply to.

Well then please discuss it in another thread that is asking for that type of info. So far you have made two on-topic comments -

- mature surfers want fillet steak and not McDonalds (well that was the implication in your posts, and I think it's valid)

- Check the demographics for search phrases.

The rest of it is just "how to sell to every surfer who visits my site" sort of stuff. Which is fine for teen site selling threads, but not for discussions about a specific, and non site related, discussions about one group of surfers.

[Varzi Network]

How bout we define "dirty teen fun".

If i send to Met Art is that dirty and fun enough?

Whats dirty and fun about Paul Markham Teens?

You are all being to general on saying because they searched for teen anything with teens is targeted. Dirty teens might be to some the girls who fuck around behind their parents back. Could be the babysitter who is banging the father or even licking the mother behind dads back. There is so much more to the equation then just matching a couple words together.

Many are being pounded with this belief that good content is all that matters when quite frankly its not what many surfers want. I could go on but that would probably end up with me being told how wrong i am. Newbies simply wont get the right advice in this thread so if that's what you seek move on and look elsewhere.

[Head Boy]

Well I have got a general idea about using "dirty teen fun" to sell to 40+ surfers. I was thinking of using it to promote voyeur and amateur sites, but I wanted to get a feel for mature interests before I went down that line. The motivations of mature surfers are more important, as I've probably got at least 100 alternative teen domain names I could use.

[hardcoreblogger]

Originally Posted by Rofl

Teens for me: closet p-edo's who don't want to overstep the mark and download und-erage stuff.

I don't like teens personally, I prefer a good MILF!

MILF's rule!

ha ha i fully agree. i'll be 40 in a year and those teens don't turn me on at all. i guess if you wanna market teens to mature men you have to turn on their p-edo thoughts and dreams. which is exactly why i don't push more teen stuff.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Varzi Network

How bout we define "dirty teen fun".

If i send to Met Art is that dirty and fun enough?

Whats dirty and fun about Paul Markham Teens?

You are all being to general on saying because they searched for teen anything with teens is targeted. Dirty teens might be to some the girls who fuck around behind their parents back. Could be the babysitter who is banging the father or even licking the mother behind dads back. There is so much more to the equation then just matching a couple words together.

Many are being pounded with this belief that good content is all that matters when quite frankly its not what many surfers want. I could go on but that would probably end up with me being told how wrong i am. Newbies simply wont get the right advice in this thread so if that's what you seek move on and look elsewhere.

Which is why I was saying you need to tell him straight up what you have on offer or steer him to different sections. I would not target either Met Art or my site as "dirty teens". I think you were using irony by suggesting it.

So members buy bad porn. Could you tell us more as I'm sure it will be interesting how you sell bad products. I'm assuming you're not talking about conning the surfer into buying.

[Head Boy]

Well I prefer hairy MILFs, but I know a lot of middle aged guys marry younger women, and have affairs with them. I wonder if 40+ guys prefer shaved teens or hairy ones.

[Paul Markham]

Just because you know people like scuba diving don't assume you can open a shop selling scuba equipment. You can stand on the street corner and hand out leaflets, but that's not selling.

[Varzi Network]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

You can stand on the street corner and hand out leaflets, but that's not selling.

Paul some of the biggest money makers run nothing but TGPs. Many of which contain nothing but descriptive links to entice higher CTR (the power of numbers) or thumbnails that do this selling you speak of. Worldsex makes godly amounts of money as does hun and they are nothing but leaflet distributors. So your idea of selling is not the same as enyone elses idea of selling it would seem.

So back to the question of what is "dirty teen fun"?

[Head Boy]

Don't encourage him Varzi - he's still rabbiting on about selling in a thread about consumer attitudes. I guess the real answer is to start a surfer forum and ask them.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Varzi Network

Paul some of the biggest money makers run nothing but TGPs. Many of which contain nothing but descriptive links to entice higher CTR (the power of numbers) or thumbnails that do this selling you speak of. Worldsex makes godly amounts of money as does hun and they are nothing but leaflet distributors. So your idea of selling is not the same as enyone elses idea of selling it would seem.

So back to the question of what is "dirty teen fun"?

So if you can start a site like The Hun, with the traffic, it's a great way to make money. Great advice and we all thank you for it.

Or as I said you pay what it takes to get on the site and blindly put up anything you think might sell. You heard people buy teen porn so just put up a teen porn gallery on the Hun. More great advice from the master.

Can you show how this approach works in 2007 or do we need to get Dr Who and his Tardis to move us back to 1997?

What is dirty teen fun? You are such a wise man I was hoping you would tell us.

[LezGeri]

Originally Posted by Rofl

Teens for me: closet p-edo's who don't want to overstep the mark and download und-erage stuff.

I don't like teens personally, I prefer a good MILF!

MILF's rule!

Pedophilia is sexual attraction to prepubescent children.

I humbly suggest you do some research and stop posting misinformed nonsense in this thread.

[Head Boy]

Give it a miss Paul please - you're just fucking up this thread with your standard sales stuff. I'm now going to have to start a new thread in a few days to see if I can get a sensible discussion about the thread topic.

[Rofl]

Ooh look it's miss 'I know everything about adult psychology there is to know Lez Geri'.

I'm entitled to my opinion, so blow me Miss Encyclopedia Of Everything.

Oh, and you'd do well to just occasionally take things with a pinch of salt.

[LezGeri]

The "teen" market is so wide & varied surely you should tailor your free sites to the actual teen site/s you are promoting. There are so many different kinds of sites involving "teens". From Non-nude tease to extreme hardcore.

Paul always mentions Sapphic Erotica as a teen site but I see it as a girl/girl site. It's about young women enjoying lesbian sex. I know that the site does use the word teen quite often but I really don't think it needs to. It has a very broad appeal among porn consumers, which is why it converts & retains so well.

The majority of men are turned on by this kind of ff & fff material. Many women are too. Age doesn't come into it all. People who are 18 who are turned on by sapphic will in most cases still be turned on by it when they are 75. I'd say its appeal is so broad that it doesn't really have a core audience - just most porn consumers in general.

However the core audience for a sites like Old Fucks Young & Teens For Cash I would say is much more age specific. I'd expect sign-ups for sites like these from people under 35 to be fairly rare.

HB you might find it useful to study the members' forums (you don't have to join the site to read it) @ Abby Winters
as the site focuses on young ladies aged in the main 18-23.

Abby Winters Forums
You will see members posting there are from many different parts of the world & are straight & bi males of all sorts of ages plus a fair number of straight, bi & lesbian women of various ages.

Let's face it, young women are lovely. Most of us like looking at them - whether we admit it or not. Lol.

[Head Boy]

Originally Posted by LezGeri

Let's face it, young women are lovely. Most of us like looking at them - whether we admit it or not. Lol.

I agree. The interesting question ie whether mature surfers wan't them to be available, or if they want them to be unavailable, and just spy on their sex lives.