I don't understand the appeal of this new porn site

[NY Jester]

I myself, understand the pull of the site. Its a few different ones in my eyes 1 obviously is touched on here mostly..the desire to have a FFM 3some 2nd: watching 2 Fems and 3rd: the innocence of some being changed or seeing them doing something they'd "never" do for the first time. Its a fantasy site through and through. I think it will do well as long as the marketing is there and the tools are provided by the sponsor. Just my 2 cents


edit: Looking at the site more closely, I think it would benefit more from if it had a more amateur feel. To me it looks too polished, absolutely set-up. It needs to have the original first bang-bus episodes feel. Again just my 2 cents

[LezGeri]

Originally Posted by Tuula

I disagree with you in that statement and the only reason I do is because in my niche (90% of the content is fake) and alot of men don't have the slighest clue.

It's a lot easier to tell if two women having sex with each other are enjoying themselves or not than to tell if a squirting scene is real or not Some producers/performers are very good at faking it, other's aren't & you can tell it's fake straight away.

The other thing is that women can learn to squirt without having an orgasm. For all I know Tuula, you may have learned this technique yourself.

[LezGeri]

Well I think it's time to spam some of my shit in this thread now Actually it's not shit at all & it is very relevant to the whole FFM fantasy thing.

Any ponders who think they have traffic from men who would love to learn how to convince their wife or girlfriend to have a threesome with another woman - FOR REAL! &/or single guys who want tips on finding bi women who will have a threesome with them - FOR REAL! should seriously consider ( if not doing so already) promoting:
Suzy Bauer's Step By Step Threesome program.
Go no. You know you want to really!

[Tuula]

Originally Posted by LezGeri

It's a lot easier to tell if two women having sex with each other are enjoying themselves or not than to tell if a squirting scene is real or not Some producers/performers are very good at faking it, other's aren't & you can tell it's fake straight away.

The other thing is that women can learn to squirt without having an orgasm. For all I know Tuula, you may have learned this technique yourself.

LezGeri, you can tell because as person that sells porn you know what to look for and therefore have a much more keener eye than the avg person and I think you're missing that point. Sure there are alot of porn sites and movies out there that are indeed quite obviously fakeed, but alot of people are oblivious when they've got a raging hardon and their hormones are kicked into overdrive.

You don't need to have an orgasm to squirt, I didn't the first time I squirted and mine was by total accident. Squirting does not come from the Gspot it comes from a gland located near the Gspot (that is a total misconception one that I've discussed with my female gyno on many occasions).

I have an orgasm (totally different sensation altogether) and then I squirt or I can squirt on command which took me years of practice to do. And not all women can learn how to do it either because their gland is subsided and not as predominate as it is in other women. They may feel the same sensation (of wanting to urinate) but they can not expell it as other women can, hence the reason why REAL squirters are so far and few btween.

[Head Boy]

Originally Posted by LezGeri

Two women having sexual relations are, if they are actually having sex, having lesbian sex. That doesn't mean they have to be lesbians.

I'm not sure that I agree with that. I suspect it depends on the emotions and the actions. I fact I would say that a woman fucking another woman with a strap-on is having simulated heterosexual intercourse. If there is no other sexual interplay or emotional involvement, then is it true that they are lesbians?

[Tuula]

Originally Posted by LezGeri

Two women having sexual relations are, if they are actually having sex, having lesbian sex. That doesn't mean they have to be lesbians.

In fact most women who enjoy sex with other women aren't lesbians. There are millions of people in the real world, including millions of men, who are perfectly well aware of this fact.

Also not all porn is fake at all. And I don't agree that people having sex with each other in porn is ever "just acting". It is acting yes, more often than not, but it isn't "just acting".

To illustrate that point - a mainstream actor and actress doing a love scene in a mainstream movie. There is absolutely no danger of the actress being impregnated by the man. In a hardcore sex scene in a porn movie the woman could quite possibly get pregnant if she doesn't take precautions, and even then no birth control method is 100% guaranteed, including the standard porno cumshot outside the woman's body.

I think you've missed some of my points in my post, because if you read it, you'd clearly see that it's NOT my belief and I explained why people are so misinformed about what a TRUE lesbian is. I am telling you, that it is because they have this "stereo type" in their heads of what they believe a "lesbian is".

They "think" that two women having sex together makes them lesbians. Have you ever seen American Pie (I think no 2) where they're painting the house and Steve thinks that because the ladies are changing clothes together and jokingly holding hands that they are lesbians? That is your standard stereoype of what alot of men out there think, because they are uneducated as to what a real lesbian is.

[LezGeri]

I believe all women, well okay most women, can learn to squirt Tuula. It's obviously much easier for some women to learn than others but if the desire to learn is really there then most women can learn to do it.

The notion that women who can ejaculate are very rare and "few and far between" as you put it is one of the myths that Lisa S. Lawless, R.M., C.E.O. Psychotherapist, Ph.D. Candidate & Founder Of HolisticWisdom.com deals with here:
http://femaleejaculation-itsreal.blogspot.com/

Of course Ms Lawless has a vested interest in publicizing the fact that pretty much any women can learn to squirt because she has a business based on teaching women to do just that. You on the other hand, it could be argued, have a vested interest in claiming that you are a great rarity. However I do appreciate your honesty in admitting you don't have to have an orgasm to squirt.

You're also now saying a lot of porn is faked I see rather than implying it all is. A lot depends on how you define "faked" of course. The truth is that in hardcore Boy/Girl these days you are quite often seeing real couples fucking because a lot of girls in the industry will only do Boy/Girl with their real life partner & others will only do non-condom sex with their real life partner. So if it's a real life husband & wife couple fucking on camera how can that be fake in any one's eyes?

[LezGeri]

Originally Posted by Head Boy

I'm not sure that I agree with that. I suspect it depends on the emotions and the actions. I fact I would say that a woman fucking another woman with a strap-on is having simulated heterosexual intercourse. If there is no other sexual interplay or emotional involvement, then is it true that they are lesbians?

What on earth are you rambling on about HB?

Two bisexual women can be every bit as much emotionally involved with each other as two lesbians. Or a lesbian & a bisexual woman for that matter.

I assure you strapons were not invented just so straight women could fuck each other in porn for the entertainment of men! Though there are a still a few lesbians around who believe that nonsense.

Do you think m/f couples who are into pegging (woman wears a strap & fucks the man in the ass with it) are simulating homosexual intercourse? Well perhaps in some case they are, but who gives a shit if they are having fun.

[Tuula]

Originally Posted by LezGeri

I believe all women, well okay most women, can learn to squirt Tuula. It's obviously much easier for some women to learn than others but if the desire to learn is really there then most women can learn to do it.

The notion that women who can ejaculate are very rare and "few and far between" as you put it is one of the myths that Lisa S. Lawless, R.M., C.E.O. Psychotherapist, Ph.D. Candidate & Founder Of HolisticWisdom.com deals with here:
http://femaleejaculation-itsreal.blogspot.com/

Of course Ms Lawless has a vested interest in publicizing the fact that pretty much any women can learn to squirt because she has a business based on teaching women to do just that. You on the other hand, it could be argued, have a vested interest in claiming that you are a great rarity. However I do appreciate your honesty in admitting you don't have to have to have an orgasm to squirt.

You're also now saying a lot of porn is faked I see rather than implying it all is. A lot depends on how you define "faked" of course. The truth is that in hardcore Boy/Girl these days you are quite often seeing real couples fucking because a lot of girls in the industry will only do Boy/Girl with their real life partner & others will only do non-condom sex with their real life partner. So if it's a real life husband & wife couple fucking on camera how can that be fake in any one's eyes?

Like I said, in my earleir post my vested interest in my squirting abilitity is something that I discuss on a regular basis with my gyno and she explained to me exactly why alot of women will NEVER be able to squirt, because their gland is subsided more so than other women, so it would be next impossible to teach them how to squirt. Every single woman's anatomy is different especially where the amke up of the vagina/uterus etc. is concerned, therefore because of that, should we all expect the same results?

Should we all think that alot of women are going to learn how to squirt because some woman claims to be an expert and claims she can teach every woman how to? Because I fancy myself an expert on my squirting ability and if for one moment I thought i could go out and teach every woman how to squirt, I'd be doing it instead of squirt shows because I would be making a hell of alot more money doing that (not that I'm complaining about my current income, but I also know what a cash cow it could be). I'd be buying booths at sex trade shows selling squirting lessons and what guy wouldn't buy that for their wife?

And I'm not under the misconception that I am extremely rare individual and if you've read my other posts in other threads, you'd know I don't feel that way at all. My talent is unique and more so in this industry, but I'm far from rare.

As for the rest, your implying such notions that simply are not there.

[LezGeri]

Originally Posted by Tuula

I think you've missed some of my points in my post....

They "think" that two women having sex together makes them lesbians.

Sure quite a lot of people are that stupid, especially when they're young & haven't seen much of the world yet. A lot of other people are not however.

The American Pie movies are comedies about teenagers growing up & learning about sex.

Lesbian is also a word that many people use very loosely anyway.

In the dictionary it says a lesbian is a homosexual woman. But the way a lot of people seem to think is that any woman who has sex with another woman is a lesbian, & it's just that some lesbians also like sex with men and some don't - so some lesbians are bisexual, & some are homosexual - & some other lesbians are no-god-dam-sexual if you please! We just hate fucking men! So there!

I'm sure there must be at least one or two lesbians working in porn who only fuck men professionally -
a) because the pay is better & they're only doing porn for the money.
& b) it would make their wife back home fucking mad with jealousy if they did porno with another girl - even if she was only a poor little "straight" girl just doing lez for the cash




Of course you need to realize that you're dealing with a person here who believes that gays, straights, & lesbians don't really exist. Deep down everyone's really bisexual
It's a crackpot theory I know but it still makes a lot more sense than the notion that everyone is either straight or gay.

[LezGeri]

Your gyno could be right & she could be wrong Tuula. These docs don't know everything you know.

[Tuula]

Originally Posted by LezGeri

Your gyno could be right & she could be wrong Tuula. These docs don't know everything you know.

She could be, however her being a fellow squirter makes me more prone to believe what she tells me more so than any of the other doctors and gyno's I've met. And from how much time and care she puts in dealing with me, I don't take things lightly (call it curiousity, fascination whatever) as other doctors have tried to pass it off as being and she is one person who's input and knowledge I truly value and respect.

[pam]

You're arguing semantics and labels, Geri, that's all it is, and it has no place in porn. So I use lesbians instead of lesbian sex. 99% of the people who see the word lesbians will rightly assume it means 2 women having sex.

You think "teens" on a porn site means they are in their teens? I'd bet the majority are well over 20 and look young.

How about BBW? Half of them are normal and half are heifers.

Let's not even go to "hairy" there the girls are anything but, or hirsute, when they haven't a clue what it even means.

In the porn world, there is no use arguing semantics and labels. Why label people anyway? What's wrong with just being sexual?

[Jel]

Next time I watch 2 birds licking each other's cunts I'll be sure not to carry on wanking over them being lesbians, if in fact, they are not lesbians, but just having lesbian sex. Talk about over-analysis of porn and what men wank over.

[Jel]

Originally Posted by LezGeri

It's a crackpot theory I know but it still makes a lot more sense than the notion that everyone is either straight or gay.

I couldn't disagree more. Everyone is either straight, gay, or bisexual. Telling me I'm bisexual is like me telling you you are a lesbian.

[LezGeri]

Originally Posted by pam

You're arguing semantics and labels, Geri, that's all it is, and it has no place in porn. So I use lesbians instead of lesbian sex. 99% of the people who see the word lesbians will rightly assume it means 2 women having sex.

Yes they will assume that Pam, & then you WRONGLY show them a site where the tour is full of DICK!!!!
http://www.brokestraightgirls.com/gi...rst_time_1.php

So fucking what the site shows 2 women having sex?????? Porn is full of scenes of women having sex with each other. But it's not lesbian porn if it's full of dick pumping into pussy and pretty female mouths - as per these promo broke straight girls galleries
GALLERY#1
GALLERY#2
This site is FFM groupsex porn with a dumb twist. It's not lesbian porn. I've yet to find any evidence that it has any content (i.e. scenes) that is free of fucking man DICK!

Why don't you try making some mpg galleries with their promo content & try submitting it to the Lesbian movie category @ Richard's Realm instead of the Group category & see how far you get? Odds on they'll think you've made a mistake and put it in the Group cat. or just not list it.

You've already said yourself that you don't do very well with the lesbian niche, and the reason is obvious. You don't understand it. Abby Winters features some of the very best girl-girl content ever made, anywhere, by any producer, male or female, but do you have that site listed in your "Lesbians" category on your review site? No.

And btw I don't think you should use "Lesbian Sex" instead of "Lesbians". I think you should use "Lesbian" instead of "Lesbians".

Or alternatively "Girl-Girl" like the great Abby Winters does - even though her girl-girl content does actually very occasionally feature a few real live lesbians.

[LezGeri]

Originally Posted by Jel

I couldn't disagree more. Everyone is either straight, gay, or bisexual. Telling me I'm bisexual is like me telling you you are a lesbian.

If straight and gay people generally showed more respect for bi people's sexual identity I'm sure we'd learn to show more respect for theirs.

Thank you for repecting my bi identity Jel

[pam]

Originally Posted by LezGeri

You've already said yourself that you don't do very well with the lesbian niche, and the reason is obvious. You don't understand it. Abby Winters features some of the very best girl-girl content ever made, anywhere, by any producer, male or female, but do you have that site listed in your "Lesbians" category on your review site? No.

No, that isn't what I said. What I said was with most lesbian sites on my review site don't do well but I do well with the 2 real sites. In fact, I had 2 sales today.

I don't need to understand the lesbian niche to promote it on a review site. Why would I submit galleries? I don't do that niche, nor are galleries a part of my business. If I do one a week it's a lot. Some of us don't need to rely on galleries to make bank.

If you don't like how I list my sites, then don't visit my site. Period. If you don't like how Broke Straight Girls is done, then don't promote it. If you don't like how Mark runs his site, then tell him.

I've never met such an angry woman in my life over a lousy website tour. You're taking it so personally as if they designed it to offend every dyke in the world. Knowing Mark, I can say that's not the case. Just visit his forum and read what he writes.

And, no, Abby isn't in more than one category but I don't owe you any explanations of how I run my site. I do well enough with Abby to think I know what I'm doing.

[Tuula]

LezGeri, I am going to give you a piece of advice, the same advice I gave to Paul Markham, don't mix business with personal and right now you are. There's a time and a place for personal and it's not in this thread. When you intertwine the two it's bad for business. We're here to make money and there's alot of niches out there that I don't like or understand but I really don't care, because I'm here to make money and that's the bottom line for all of us.