Thoughts on paid partner submitter accounts for wanktube

[Georgie]

Originally Posted by seeandsee

So you got ~25 sales in two days?

About that, yes. And from the one source. I try to submit about once a week to several of the better tube sites. Within two hours of the video coming on line (not always immediate) I see a spike in the signups. I have a weak method of determining exact source of the traffic because on some tube sites it's type-in traffic, as there is no direct hyperlink, just the watermark on the video.

Part of the "magic" of submitting to tube sites is timing (and luck). If you can stay on their first or featured page long enough, you can ride out a good day of signups. If it gets pushed to the second or third page too quickly, the signups aren't nearly as good.

[_LB_]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Best idea so far.

LB I have one of our videos on your most viewed page, your traffic is not good enough to pay for. In fact it's hardly worth the time to submit for us. Maybe it's only good enough for an auto submitter.

You can't judge tube traffic by conventional means and it seems you are directly comparing it to tgps. Firstly most of it is typein so hard to track, secondly you will get far fewer visitors but for a longer time period, lastly tube surfers tend not to signup to generic niche sites that look the same as all the other sites.

If its not worth your time to submit, then don't submit Bagging those who send you traffic for free regardless of its quality isn't really a good idea.

[the Shemp]

the key is to establish partner accounts, with some strict rules.... free or paid is really up to you....

[matuag]

Ive submitted videos to wanktube as well as other tube sites and to be honest the traffic I got from wanktube was much much less than that of the others, so for me personally unless I see a big change in the number of views I doubt i would pay for a partner account.

[BadWolf]

Originally Posted by the Shemp

the key is to establish partner accounts, with some strict rules.... free or paid is really up to you....

It doesn't have to be a huge fee to get a partner account or even a fee at all, that's a good point. But as a directory owner I've had to write more and more rules to keep up the quality of my directories. In the end, rules benefit everyone except those who would abuse the rules.

[atlant]

Some asshole is spamming celebs niche:
http://www.wanktube.com/search_resul...videos&x=0&y=0

Jessica Simpson sex tape... lol.

[_LB_]

Well looks like its mostly negative feedback about the idea.

Back to thinking about solutions then

[Dutch Harry]

if you want to get rid of the spammers i would go for the partner account even if you get some negative reactions here (ppl see that it is going to cost them money so they will be negative and PM has never been positive about someone else then himself in his whole life ).

I think that you can get rid of the majority of spammers if you charge a small fee, also it would be much easier to ban people when they do spam.

[tigermom]

Having read through the thread, I don't think you got mostly negative responses, LB. I don't do tube submits, but from my little experience with FS, I think Shemp gave you the best advice here, at least the one I see LL owners applying more and more.

[hardcoreblogger]

you have to introduce rules and i think it's a good idea to introduce free partner accounts.

if you'd allow only submits from paid accounts frankly i think it might be the beginning of the downfall of wanktube. as others have pointed out, other tubes have much more traffic and they let folks submit for free. plus users seem to prefer the tubes with real amateur content, which you wouldn't get anymore at all.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by _LB_

You can't judge tube traffic by conventional means and it seems you are directly comparing it to tgps. Firstly most of it is typein so hard to track, secondly you will get far fewer visitors but for a longer time period, lastly tube surfers tend not to signup to generic niche sites that look the same as all the other sites.

If its not worth your time to submit, then don't submit Bagging those who send you traffic for free regardless of its quality isn't really a good idea.

I appreciate there will be type in traffic, but still I don't think enough comes from it to us to justify spending the time, time is money. I have way better ways of getting traffic. clips4sale sends SIGN UPS to the $5 sites and we earn from the money spent on the scenes on their site. I might try some of the %4 sites videos soon. But Clips4sale business model seems to be a much better format for us.

Only you know what the advertising is worth and if there are any upsells to your sites, but I think the problem for Tubes is going to come as new "members" dry up and the value of adverting dating and cam sites that surfers know about will be reduced and not enough to pay the BW bills.

For example if 1,000 views of a scene are needed to get a sign up on a dating site the sign could cost $5. But if 10,000 views are needed the sign up costs $50. If the number of new surfers on the Tube site drops and 20,000 views are needed it's cost you $100. The effect gets worse as the ratio of real free surfers out weigh those who will spend.

Dating and Cam sites will pull adds if they cost too much to get NEW members.

[Head Boy]

I bet it takes less time to submit to a tube site, than to make a couple of long posts.

$5 seems a high cost for a 1,000 views. Is that really a true figure?

[Georgie]

LB, So what's the deal with TopBucks putting Wanktube on their "banned" list? I caught a reprint of an e-mail TopBucks has sent out to their affiliates over on That Other Board.

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[gelai18]

count me in. nice idea.

[_LB_]

Originally Posted by Georgie

LB, So what's the deal with TopBucks putting Wanktube on their "banned" list? I caught a reprint of an e-mail TopBucks has sent out to their affiliates over on That Other Board.

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They demand that the videos have no watermarks apart from theirs, even a splash screen before or after isn't ok with them. So they want me to host the videos and pay all the bw but get nothing in return. Also that screws wm's who submit the videos ... the surfer types in the topbucks site and the wm who submitted it gets no credit for the sales made.

A million other sponsors more than happy to have their content used

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Head Boy

$5 seems a high cost for a 1,000 views. Is that really a true figure?

My post was an example to illustrate the situation. Everyone thinks it's about traffic. it's not. It's about the cost of the traffic and the return on investment.

This situation will keep changing. As more of the surfers hitting a Tube site have seen all the dating and cam sites advertising on them the return on the advertising will diminish. The willingness of the advertisers will wane, the money they spend will drop.

All the time the numbers of surfers regularly coming to the Tube site to grab free porn will rise and the cost of the hosting and BW will rise as well. Yes there is the drip drip effect, but will it in the long run pay for the hosting and other costs?

The only people who know this are the ones running the Tube sites and seeing the bills and returns. How many of the Tube sites charge for submitting, how many of them submit for themselves, how many of them run their own sites fed by the Tube site and how many of them work as affiliates sending the Tube traffic to other sponsors?

I said HOW MANY implying some do.

Also when working out the cost consider it's more than the BW. It needs a good server, hosting, service and a few other things to run a site that has 1,000s of people downloading free porn all day long. Too cheap hosting and it stops, too expensive and it bankrupts you.

[BadWolf]

Yeah, you'd know about needing a good server.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by BadWolf

Yeah, you'd know about needing a good server.

I have three of them. Just a small guy. LOL

[Head Boy]

Porn doesn't exist in a vacuum - maybe the tube owners can see a broader picture.

[raven1083]

Best idea so far!!! I'm in with a Paid Submitter account!