Martial Arts Idiots

[Varzi Network]

Unless they teach you how to catch bullets with your teeth in today's society it wont matter what martial arts you learn or where you learn it.

I will trust in my 9mm Samurai with precision accuracy.

[ScreaM]

Originally Posted by Varzi Network

Unless they teach you how to catch bullets with your teeth in today's society it wont matter what martial arts you learn or where you learn it.

I will trust in my 9mm Samurai with precision accuracy.

You can't get guns easily in all countries.

[Jmart]

Originally Posted by Varzi Network

Unless they teach you how to catch bullets with your teeth in today's society it wont matter what martial arts you learn or where you learn it.

I will trust in my 9mm Samurai with precision accuracy.

I've seen Bruce Leroy do it in The Last Dragon

[Varzi Network]

Originally Posted by ScreaM

You can't get guns easily in all countries.

I don't travel much so that wont be a problem.

[ScreaM]

Jmart and Varzi, check this out :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYlQFtocFf0

[Jmart]

hah..thats funny. a cop, a ninja and pele all rolled into one. Seeing those ninja's reminded me of all those cheesy ass 80's ninja movies that I use to think were cool. (American Ninja, Revenge of the Ninja, etc)

[ScreaM]

Speaking of cheesy Ninja movies, that 'White Ninja' movie comes to my mind. Forgot it's name. The hero was a fat blond guy who is supposed to be the great white ninja but is a disgrace to the Ninja clan.

[Jmart]

i think your referring to Chris Farley in the Great White Ninja. i haven't seen it though. I don't think I've seen any ninja movies past 89'

[ScreaM]

Yeah, found it.

Beverly Hills Ninja - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118708/

[MarkTiarra]

All of what you are talking about was played out in the early UFC competitions. The whole point was to expose the truth behind the claims various martial arts made and it was quickly discovered that grapplers had a HUGE advantage in real fight situations. Granted there are many benefits to traditional martial arts as well for health and some deadly force techniques (I have over 20 years in Tae Kwon Do and Okinawan karate forms) but to only truly applicable forms are solidly based in grappling. Nowadays real fighters use a hybrid of forms made up often oh Muay Thai, Wrestling, BJJ and a smattering of other things.

I train with Team Tavares up here in Jersey and have also trained with Saulo Ribiero, Royler Gracie, Dave Adiv and some other well known names in BJJ circles. I can tell you first hand my TKD and Japanese karate did me little good when I first stepped on a mat or in a cage to go at it. The guys who pick it all up most quickly seem to be the Greco Roman or Freestyle wrestlers. The intensity and competition they are used to and the need to control your opponents position is already there for them.

What amazes me is there are still people out there who think Kung Fu movie shit will work. I thought everyone saw those myths torn asunder a decade ago but I guess not.

[Big-D]

Hey GregB,

I got to tell you, you brought a smile to my face and made me chuckle man.
Sounds like we trained along similar paths, except I wasnt allowed to start training till I was 12. And yes, I still train today except that now it isn't as often as it used to be.

Now guys, IMO, and that is all it is, the SYSTEM you train in doesn't really matter. It is HOW you train that matters. I can tell you that I have not found a single school in the past 20 years that trains anywhere close to how I learned, and that with the techniques I use, would not be allowed to compete in tournaments. LOL. But that is just fine with me. I have no wish to water down what I know to be able to compete.

There was a time [trying not to date myself toooo much here LMAO] that where I grew up, every Wednesday was open fight night. You could go to ANY school and match up and were welcomed. Because everyone knew it was to their benefit to fight out against others that had trained in different disciplines. The only real rules were limited contact to the groin, solar plex, and head and limited joint maneuvers. Outside of that it was full contact go for it, defend yourself. Those were great matches usually. I miss them.

GregB, I learned early on that weight training adds considerably to a persons MA abilities. Even as your knowledge and ability grow to control your inner forces, muscular strength only complements that ability.


Todays MA schools and such are more centered around commercialism and public contests. The ultimate goal of any ma is to teach you how to NOT get into a situation where you have to kick ass and take names. To give you the mental and moral tools to achieve that goal. But as with all things in life, that is not always possible. And when that happens, you have 3-5 seconds to eliminate your opponents and get your sweet ass outta there. LOL.

Now for those sitting there wondering I wont tell you the name of the system because todays form of it in the USA has like all others become bastardized. However what I learned was taken to Okinawa from China in the late 1800's and most close resembles Wing Chun. 3 forms is all it had with a lot of drills, technique, matt time etc.. Todays commercial form looks nothing like what I learned even the main 3 forms have been changed to the point where I barely recognize them. Shame, because a lot of the deadly real life application has been removed from them as well. Oh well.. I am rambling down a path that only I care about. LOL.

To run is always better than to fight, but when you must fight always remember these.
To Deflect is better than to Break.
To Break is better than to Maim.
To Maim is better than to Kill.
To Kill is better than to Die.

Live long and wisely my friends.

Big D

[ScreaM]

Nice post Big-D.

[_LB_]

Originally Posted by Big-D

Hey GregB,

I got to tell you, you brought a smile to my face and made me chuckle man.
Sounds like we trained along similar paths, except I wasnt allowed to start training till I was 12. And yes, I still train today except that now it isn't as often as it used to be.

Now guys, IMO, and that is all it is, the SYSTEM you train in doesn't really matter. It is HOW you train that matters. I can tell you that I have not found a single school in the past 20 years that trains anywhere close to how I learned, and that with the techniques I use, would not be allowed to compete in tournaments. LOL. But that is just fine with me. I have no wish to water down what I know to be able to compete. Big D

Disagree somewhat.

The style you train and the school you train in does matter. I have done 22 years of MA training and it wasn't until I did security guard and even bodyguard duty that I realised most of the others i worked alongside did a very limited range of martial arts.

Also competition is a very limited training technique. It just helpes you manage the nerves and experience of facing 1 other person. In reality you rarely face 1 person .... its usually 3+. Almost every confrontation or work experience I have had involves more than 1 person.

[apcwebmaster]

if you ever get into a fight with a martial artist your best bet is to just get in real close and use your animalistic instinct, or run

[_LB_]

Originally Posted by apcwebmaster

if you ever get into a fight with a martial artist your best bet is to just get in real close and use your animalistic instinct, or run

Unless they do jujutsu, hapkido, traditional kungfu, ..... not sure any traditional judo exists anymore but that too You would be toast in record time

[ScreaM]

Originally Posted by apcwebmaster

if you ever get into a fight with a martial artist your best bet is to just get in real close and use your animalistic instinct, or run

animalistic instinct?

dude, hair-pulling, biting etc. is so girlish.

[alby_Onprobation]

I bet my animal instinct would be run and then comeback for payback time.lol

[Greg B]

Originally Posted by MarkTiarra

All of what you are talking about was played out in the early UFC competitions. The whole point was to expose the truth behind the claims various martial arts made and it was quickly discovered that grapplers had a HUGE advantage in real fight situations. Granted there are many benefits to traditional martial arts as well for health and some deadly force techniques (I have over 20 years in Tae Kwon Do and Okinawan karate forms) but to only truly applicable forms are solidly based in grappling. Nowadays real fighters use a hybrid of forms made up often oh Muay Thai, Wrestling, BJJ and a smattering of other things.

I train with Team Tavares up here in Jersey and have also trained with Saulo Ribiero, Royler Gracie, Dave Adiv and some other well known names in BJJ circles. I can tell you first hand my TKD and Japanese karate did me little good when I first stepped on a mat or in a cage to go at it. The guys who pick it all up most quickly seem to be the Greco Roman or Freestyle wrestlers. The intensity and competition they are used to and the need to control your opponents position is already there for them.

What amazes me is there are still people out there who think Kung Fu movie shit will work. I thought everyone saw those myths torn asunder a decade ago but I guess not.

Exactly!!!!

I reiterate my earlier statements. Kung Fu, I mean REAL Kung Fu, not that movie shit is so brutal it's unspeakable. You don't see it because it's not allowed in competition, but just the Tiger alone teaches you how to rip muscles and tendons out. So in 'competition' Kung Fu isn't 100% applied so it looks ineffective sometimes.

I was very slim for most my life. Never over 180lbs until I hit my early 30's and started pumping iron for size. I come from a very large and strong family and most are martial artists. I'm only about 6' 2" so I'm the runt in height of the litter but I made up for that in physical strength I didn't know I had. When I poured on the steam to build muscle my father and cousins and trainers warned me to be careful. I didn't think I was strong but didn't realize before I pumped how strong I was. Now adding major weights I got so strong I scared people out of the gymnasiums. We had a friend of the family who did major time in Jersey state pens. He used to box with none other than Ruben Hurricane Carter. He was huge bodybuilder guy and I was a kid around 170lbs at the time. I would get into street fights and he would go crazy warning people to leave me alone and he would go to the police station and tell the cops to keep me out of fights. Then one day he told me why. He was an expert at spotting boxers. He showed me how deadly my punch was that I didn't even realize. My father was good at boxing too as were my uncles, all military champs. One day I got into it with a guy in the neighborhood who outweighed me by 20lbs. I through a punch that just glanced his jaw and he went out like a light and blind in one eye and shit himself right there. People freaked and thought I had killed him. On another occasion I did far worse to a guy just a shove punch on the subway I don't wanna get into it but he got so fucked up I almost got hauled away. It was self defense but the damage to his internal organs was extensive. Just a short punch.

It's how energy is distributed that I had to find out. My fists and arms are built that way bud didn't know about it at the time. So when I started putting on muscle things got even scarier. That's why you can see a girl
around 8 years old fuck up a grown man. Energy distribution and focus.

But like Mark said, greco-roman grapplers have the strength and stamina and reflexes to put an opponent where they want them. I wasn't much of a wrestler til I got more weight on. Now I'm a terror.

Everyone is different, we each have our own specialties. That's why getting trained is so important. A real instructor will see your potential, weak spots etc. and build you up right.

In a real fight it's split second decisions. Any fight lasting more than 15 seconds ain't a fight it's fucking around til someone gets hurt.

Disable, kill, go home.

Doesn't get more complicated than that.

[Greg B]

Originally Posted by Big-D

Hey GregB,

I got to tell you, you brought a smile to my face and made me chuckle man.
Sounds like we trained along similar paths, except I wasnt allowed to start training till I was 12. And yes, I still train today except that now it isn't as often as it used to be.

Now guys, IMO, and that is all it is, the SYSTEM you train in doesn't really matter. It is HOW you train that matters. I can tell you that I have not found a single school in the past 20 years that trains anywhere close to how I learned, and that with the techniques I use, would not be allowed to compete in tournaments. LOL. But that is just fine with me. I have no wish to water down what I know to be able to compete.

There was a time [trying not to date myself toooo much here LMAO] that where I grew up, every Wednesday was open fight night. You could go to ANY school and match up and were welcomed. Because everyone knew it was to their benefit to fight out against others that had trained in different disciplines. The only real rules were limited contact to the groin, solar plex, and head and limited joint maneuvers. Outside of that it was full contact go for it, defend yourself. Those were great matches usually. I miss them.

GregB, I learned early on that weight training adds considerably to a persons MA abilities. Even as your knowledge and ability grow to control your inner forces, muscular strength only complements that ability.


Todays MA schools and such are more centered around commercialism and public contests. The ultimate goal of any ma is to teach you how to NOT get into a situation where you have to kick ass and take names. To give you the mental and moral tools to achieve that goal. But as with all things in life, that is not always possible. And when that happens, you have 3-5 seconds to eliminate your opponents and get your sweet ass outta there. LOL.

Now for those sitting there wondering I wont tell you the name of the system because todays form of it in the USA has like all others become bastardized. However what I learned was taken to Okinawa from China in the late 1800's and most close resembles Wing Chun. 3 forms is all it had with a lot of drills, technique, matt time etc.. Todays commercial form looks nothing like what I learned even the main 3 forms have been changed to the point where I barely recognize them. Shame, because a lot of the deadly real life application has been removed from them as well. Oh well.. I am rambling down a path that only I care about. LOL.

To run is always better than to fight, but when you must fight always remember these.
To Deflect is better than to Break.
To Break is better than to Maim.
To Maim is better than to Kill.
To Kill is better than to Die.

Live long and wisely my friends.

Big D

Well said!

Never bring 'Anger' to a fight. He's your worse enemy. Tie him up and use his energy against him.

It's funny about strength training, now it only takes a shove or a poke or a grab and throw to fuck a guy up. Slapping a guy I could kill him. Don't get into fights with bodybuilders. Just don't do it. The muscle mass acts like armor and unless you know how to tear tendons you're just in for pain and more pain.

[ScreaM]