Martial Arts Idiots

[Head Boy]

What I've learnt from life is that if you cross the wrong guy, even if he's in a wheelchair, then he'll just pay someone to take you out. Martial arts only work at street level.

[ScreaM]

lol funny you mention a powerful guy in a wheel chair, Head boy. I was just watching The Real Adventures of Jonny Quest. Surd is a pretty powerful being and he can't move a limb. He is like Stephen Hawking.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremiah_Surd

[Head Boy]

Well right now the British government is in a wheelchair, but it's still pretty powerful, even though it doesn't even own its own wheelchair.

[Greg B]

Originally Posted by ScreaM

The groin and neck are the same for all men. No matter how strong you are.

Oh that's a great THEORY but when your neck and groin are protected by several pounds of hard muscle gettin' there and making an effect are another matter altogether.

[ScreaM]

Originally Posted by Greg B

Oh that's a great THEORY but when your neck and groin are protected by several pounds of hard muscle gettin' there and making an effect are another matter altogether.

That's where speed comes into the picture. I'm sure a black belt could take a guy as big as Lee Priest no problem.

[seeandsee]

Kung Fu at least teaches you how to wrestle and deadly wrestle at that.

Get a fucking shotgun men

[Lewanker]

Originally Posted by Head Boy

It did me a lot of good. It speeded up my reactions, and it kept me out of trouble, made me calmer as well. It even improved my sex life.

Ditto. When you know you can kick someones ass, you don't get as stressed up as otherwise:-)

[Big-D]

Originally Posted by _LB_

Disagree somewhat.

The style you train and the school you train in does matter. I have done 22 years of MA training and it wasn't until I did security guard and even bodyguard duty that I realised most of the others i worked alongside did a very limited range of martial arts.

Also competition is a very limited training technique. It just helpes you manage the nerves and experience of facing 1 other person. In reality you rarely face 1 person .... its usually 3+. Almost every confrontation or work experience I have had involves more than 1 person.

LB,

I hope we get a chance to meet someday.

I am willing to concede that point and honestly, I agree with you. For a student TODAY, it does matter what system you train in. For that brief second I forgot what I went on to iterate later in my original post. Things have changed so much, even in my original system which now nothing resembles what I learned to begin with.

For a student today to learn anything close to what I learned, they would have to study some form of ju jujitsu or aikido, combined with kung fu and karate, mixed with boxing and a slew of weaponry. Along with that, none of the competition stuff but all street applications and knowledge of first aid and herbology and some other stuff I wont go into.

As for most fights not being one on one, that too I agree with and is one of the key elements I find missing when I visit a school or check out a place I have heard of. My point is that I dont see people training this way anymore. I know most people cannot even relate to what I am talking about here. LOL. It is old skool even for a lot of old schoolers. LOL.

Scream, Greg B is right when he is telling you that the soft targets you mention may not be as accessible as you think if protected by large amounts of muscle mass. Think of it this way, a joint is a joint. You go to snap someones knee. Now if that is Pee Wee Herman, the amount of force necessary to accomplish the task is not as great as if it were Lou Ferrigno. LOL. Still can be done, and can be done the same way. It is the amount of force required to be successful that becomes the issue.

Be cool folks,

Big D

[ScreaM]

lol Big-D, guess I need to fight a bodybuilder.

[Big-D]

Originally Posted by ScreaM

lol Big-D, guess I need to fight a bodybuilder.

Dont do it ScreaM

And if you do, just follow someone else's advice and use a shotgun.

Big D

[ScreaM]

Originally Posted by Big-D

Dont do it ScreaM

And if you do, just follow someone else's advice and use a shotgun.

Big D

Heh, guns are not easily available here.

[flip]

Ponce about in the gym as much as you all want to and spout...

Seriously in a bar fight - where let's face it most of you are preparing for - there ain't no rules...

Pinching biting pulling or just twatting the dude before he blinks is the answer...

God almighty I've done dudes whilst they're pissing if I wanted to win...

A week later and on the floor I've almost bit or pulled their bollocks off...

Real fighting is dirty nasty dangerous and degrading...

I ain't a hippy with attitude for nothing - fucking win whatever it takes

Now back to my buddhist chanting

[MarkTiarra]

Originally Posted by flip

Ponce about in the gym as much as you all want to and spout...

Seriously in a bar fight - where let's face it most of you are preparing for - there ain't no rules...

Pinching biting pulling or just twatting the dude before he blinks is the answer...

God almighty I've done dudes whilst they're pissing if I wanted to win...

A week later and on the floor I've almost bit or pulled their bollocks off...

Real fighting is dirty nasty dangerous and degrading...

I ain't a hippy with attitude for nothing - fucking win whatever it takes

Now back to my buddhist chanting

Yup yup. As much as I train and fight competitively I am well aware that street fighting doesn't start with a judge and people can gang up on you or pick up a stool or whatever. Now obviously if you train to fight all the time you at least increase your odds in a situation but really sport fighting is just that - sport. If it's a life or death situation there's likely going to be a weapon involved anyway and often you won't see it coming.

[ScreaM]

Originally Posted by MarkTiarra

Yup yup. As much as I train and fight competitively I am well aware that street fighting doesn't start with a judge and people can gang up on you or pick up a stool or whatever. Now obviously if you train to fight all the time you at least increase your odds in a situation but really sport fighting is just that - sport. If it's a life or death situation there's likely going to be a weapon involved anyway and often you won't see it coming.

Break their fucking limbs - Jiu-Jitsu baby!

[Greg B]

Originally Posted by ScreaM

lol Big-D, guess I need to fight a bodybuilder.

The ONLY way to fight a bodybuilder is by good old fashioned boxing. You have to keep a distance on someone heavily muscled.

I cannot emphasize the importance of the fundamentals of pugilism.

Keeping that opponent AWAY from you is best. A boxer can keep a heavily muscled opponent at a distance and I don't care how muscled he or she is, a good left hook or right cross can take a horse down.

It's speed and accuracy in boxing that keeps a wrestler and strongman at a distance for the knockout or knockdown.

The jawbone is not heavily muscled, a boxer uses a closed fist, it's unwise to use a closed fist in a fight unless it's a body blow so you don't break your hand on the skull.

I knew of a hitman once. He was in jail in upstate NY. His trademark was he used to kill people by punching them in the head. His knuckles were like rocks. He had been conditioned to do so.

So I always say with basic arts like kung fu for the training and lethality, jiujitsu or tae kwan do for the striking and blocking, if not those then aikido is excellnt. However, it doesn't take long to learn the fundamentals of boxing. Always take a course in boxing. Wrestling is one of the most grueling and awesome sports. The amount of strength and stamina are astounding.

[ScreaM]

Yup, boxing is a must. I need to take a few lessons myself. Was thinking of buying a few instructional videos.

Btw Greg, what do you think of high kicks during a street fight? Why aren't we able to kick the opponent's head in a street fight? I don't think it's because we're not warmed up. I can do a high kick even without warming up.

[Greg B]

You wouldn't believe the height of my standing kick.

A kick should only be used when the target is open and without counter opportunity. Reason being is a foot will be off the ground and open you to attack.

See, what works in Asia isn't what works in the U.S.. We had kickboxing at our studio in NY. The Thai guys wouldn't go up against the American guys because we were too big. that kicking shit works well if you're 140lbs vs a guy who's 140lbs, but against a 260lb monster it don't work so well unless you're hittin' nuts and jaw.

I'm an expert at precision kicks but it's because I trained in Yoga at an early age and that has carried over for my entire life. One day in my neighborhood on the upper west side of NY back in the late 80's a karate dude kicked a guy in the jaw and killed him instantly. Dude went to jail. Happened right around the corner from my apartment. People were in shock. Fucking around has injured or killed many people wrongly.

In a street fight you take a guy out. No showboating, no loud talking, you move in and kill or you move away and eat pizza.

[ScreaM]

Looks like I was wrong in so many cases. Guess I'm a n00b, lol.

[docputer]

Originally Posted by Greg B

Oh, and never let an Israeli girl kick you.

I was part of a joint group in 1975 that trained with the Israeli army. I thought I was well trained until I got into this group. The group consisted of 1 platoon of US Army Rangers, 1 platoon of British Paratroopers, 1 platoon of British Combat Engineers, and 2 platoons of Israelis. The first 2 weeks we were all bloodied and bruised. We eventually started learning their techniques until we were fairly efficient.
The mission we were training for never happened, but that training stayed with me ever since. About 15 years ago I had two guys jump me outside of my office at night. The first guy had two broken legs before he hit the ground. (Believe it or not, he tried to sue me for use of excessive force in fighting him off) The second guy took off running after I took his knife away.
Even today, with my basically being disabled, I think I could still account for myself fairly well.

[ScreaM]

Krav Maga is deadly period