adultfriendfinder affilate $1/visitor

[fresh]

AFF are thieves and scammers just as the original poster (check out his TCG thread)

[BadWolf]

Yeah, I'm going to start taking a closer look at who I trade with........and I think adding a 'no AFF' rule to my directories is fair at this point.

[RageCash-Ben]

Originally Posted by mikesinner

Those of you that say FU to AFF, I don't know what to say. I make about $10 per free sign up.

"Hey I know they fuck everyone and screw honest webmasters but so do other companies and besides I make money with them"

[pam]

Originally Posted by mikesinner

Those of you that say FU to AFF, I don't know what to say. I make about $10 per free sign up.

No, dear, you are paid $10 per free signup. You probably earn $50 per free signup but $40 of that goes to people who use Zango.

And, anyone can read how much they pay out and know you don't earn $10 for a free signup.

[mikesinner]

Originally Posted by hardcoreblogger

lol how sure are you that they really track all your sales? i have dropped both AFF/Cams and AWE long ago, but you cannot put them in the same basket. The AWE revshare is a joke, but at least they're open about it. AFF/Cams have a looooong story with Zango and AFF/Cams sponsors every torrent site and many of the full-length-member-area-vids tube sites on this planet. AFF/Cams is not open about any of the dodgy tactics they use, they don't care about screwing their webmasters if it makes them an extra buck and they will only admit it if proven guilty, as demonstrated many times on that other board. they deserve way more than just a big FUCK YOU!

Both of these companies symbolize greedy business, AFF/Cams also sleazy business. It's up to you if you want to do business with them, basically you support them in continuing to fuck all honest webmasters in the ass. That's why I choose not to trade with sites who promote AFF/Cams heavily. There are other, honest webcam sponsors that pay lifetime revshare and convert way better for me than Cams.com anyway

I could put together a huge list of rapidhare site that use streamate epic cams I'mlive and webcams.com. Just look around and you will see them all on theft sites. the only reason streamray and AWE are more prominent is because they convert better for those people.

[ismokeblunts]

Originally Posted by Hentaikid

Their owner has mentioned in boards that they use Zango, it's not a secret

yup, lars has outright admitted to aff's use of zango on several occasions. will76 is the outspoken expert of all things aff and zango. his posts should clear up any questions you have as to why you should not do business with them.

[mikesinner]

Originally Posted by ismokeblunts

yup, lars has outright admitted to aff's use of zango on several occasions. will76 is the outspoken expert of all things aff and zango. his posts should clear up any questions you have as to why you should not do business with them.

But they are owned by Penthouse as of about 2 months ago so are they still actively using it?

[hardcoreblogger]

Originally Posted by mikesinner

I could put together a huge list of rapidhare site that use streamate epic cams I'mlive and webcams.com. Just look around and you will see them all on theft sites. the only reason streamray and AWE are more prominent is because they convert better for those people.

i was not talking about these programs, i use another cam sponsor and i have my reasons for not promoting any of these programs. dude, once more you are missing the point. you're shitting in your own garden constantly by promoting AFF/Cams.com. read my post above again and let me quote ben who sums up your shitty attitude very well:

Originally Posted by RageCash-Ben

"Hey I know they fuck everyone and screw honest webmasters but so do other companies and besides I make money with them"

[mikesinner]

All I know is that I have streamray and 4 other cam sponsors on the sidebar of most of my blogs. all of those sponsors have equal opportunity to convert for me and compared to streamray they just don't come close. I can't see dropping a sponsor when it converts better for me than any other per click.

Half the sponsors in this industry are shady as fuck but should I just drop them all? Each has their own way of advertising and there are all kinds of things going on under the radar that many peeps don't even know about. I had a friend that worked as a rep for AWE and he told me they has pr people who's only job was to go to boards and talk shit about other programs and other cam sponsors have peeps working for them doing the same thing. It's just like that in the corporate world as well.

Most people don't know half of the stuff going on behind the scenes and the deals that are being made. In my situation I have almost 3500 revshare signups with them so maybe that's why I do ok with them. If I can get some higher paying cam sponsors to convert better for me then I'll start taking them off some of my sites but I have never seen them do anything bad to me and as far as the Zango thing goes it seems that lots of adult programs have supported them and they are still being pushed on the boards.

[hardcoreblogger]

yeah keep closing your eyes, mike. yes there are some other shady sponsors. but AFF is way more than just shady, it has been proven many times that they fuck webmasters left, right and up the ass. by continuing to promote AFF despite knowing that you willingly finance all the torrent and other content thief scumbags indirectly.

too much work finding an honest cam sponsor that converts better? they are out there. just don't come complaining again in my threads that you're not making enough money!

[pam]

So, basically, Mike, you don't care that you are being blatantly being ripped off every day as long as you are making enough to keep you out of flipping burgers?

And hey, other people do shady things so why can't I?

What a mentality. I forgot you're the one who wrote a tutorial teaching newbies how to steal content from adult forums and use it to promote sponsors.

Talking crap about another program is fine. STEALING YOUR SALES is not.

But hey, it's YOUR money, you don't care that half or more of your sales are being stolen from you, after all, other programs do it, so you don't care at all.

[Adriaan]

To be honest I think it's more painful to see that ALOT of well known paysites still upsell to AFF and Cams.com inside their members area...

[hardcoreblogger]

Originally Posted by Adriaan

To be honest I think it's more painful to see that ALOT of well known paysites still upsell to AFF and Cams.com inside their members area...

true mate, old bro's tend to stick together, you can also see them promoted on lots of old big traffic sites...

[Comrade]

Originally Posted by hardcoreblogger

yeah keep closing your eyes, mike. yes there are some other shady sponsors. but AFF is way more than just shady, it has been proven many times that they fuck webmasters left, right and up the ass. by continuing to promote AFF despite knowing that you willingly finance all the torrent and other content thief scumbags indirectly.

too much work finding an honest cam sponsor that converts better? they are out there. just don't come complaining again in my threads that you're not making enough money!

hardcoreblogger, give it up - you're wasting your time. It has been repeatedly pointed out to Mike that he's screwing himself and everyone else by promoting AFF, yet he continues with his "But they pay me!" mantra.

I guess some people like it when someone hands them $10 and steals $100 in long-term earnings out of their pocket.

[ScreaM]

Originally Posted by Comrade

hardcoreblogger, give it up - you're wasting your time. It has been repeatedly pointed out to Mike that he's screwing himself and everyone else by promoting AFF, yet he continues with his "But they pay me!" mantra.

It works for some people.

[BadWolf]

You know, Mike, I've been watching you for quite some time. There's been many a time that I thought about commenting on your 'fuck everybody else, I'm making money' philosophy.

Then there's the threads where you pretend to be teaching newbies how to make money while spamming your referral code. Pam brought up the forum/stolen content drama, which is usually the first thing I think of when I see your name when you post.

I'm saying this to you man to man. You're getting a bad rep on this forum and like it or not you're screwing yourself with the attitude you have.

This is a forum a lot of newbies post at and learn from and I don't think you're setting a good example for them.

I think it's time you stop rationalizing your actions and take some responsibility. If you want to support out and out thieves then do so.

But don't blame anyone but yourself for how you get treated from here on out.

It's not necessary that any of that happen. It's up to you.

[rogue]

Originally Posted by BadWolf

You know, Mike, I've been watching you for quite some time. There's been many a time that I thought about commenting on your 'fuck everybody else, I'm making money' philosophy.

Then there's the threads where you pretend to be teaching newbies how to make money while spamming your referral code. Pam brought up the forum/stolen content drama, which is usually the first thing I think of when I see your name when you post.

I'm saying this to you man to man. You're getting a bad rep on this forum and like it or not you're screwing yourself with the attitude you have.

This is a forum a lot of newbies post at and learn from and I don't think you're setting a good example for them.

I think it's time you stop rationalizing your actions and take some responsibility. If you want to support out and out thieves then do so.

But don't blame anyone but yourself for how you get treated from here on out.

It's not necessary that any of that happen. It's up to you.

Great post, it sums up what everybody is thinking.

[erots]

Originally Posted by rogue

Great post, it sums up what everybody is thinking.

Not really, my personal favourite is missing - his thread about how he is going to scam toplists and be really honest about scamming them.

[pam]

And that's why I would never, ever trade traffic with MikeSinner. He's always thinking how he can "scam" to get to the top of this or that