Unreliable writers/designers, lies and promises

[SabrinaDeep]

Funny enough, i saw your thread just after i have posted a new thread where i look for a webmaster lol
I don't pay anybody upfront and i do pay only with checks. It's a take it or leave it. I have a reputation to loose if i don't pay a job done, but a scammer has nothing to loose not to do the job after he has already been paid.

Anyway, my very personal opinion is that there are too many kids in this business and it's easy for them to call themselves freelancers or affiliates or webmasters or whatever else. There are also "mature" people scamming others, but we all know that there are a lot of underage people hanging around porn, one way or another.

When hiring a freelancer, an identity check wouldn't do bad. If someone looking for work won't disclose their identity, address and contacts, something is or it is gonna be wrong.

[pam]

Yep, that's why I mentioned the excuses above. I've been spending 3/4 hours a day at the hospital literally watching someone in their last days of life, then having to come home and smile and laugh when customers/surfers call me and act as if nothing is wrong. I have customers expecting things and that's why they remain customers, because you take care of them.

I don't ask people their age when they do grunt work but I think that's a future policy for me.

[ristac]

Interesting comment "Too many kids" but at what age would you define a webmaster as being a kid. Okay 18 I agree but what about a 21-23 year old?

Point is I was a complete Ass at this age, I thought I knew everything and I was not very nice to know or be around (nothing changed some might say ) However there are many in this age group who have a mortgage and family and are probably decent enough people and they would be offended if labeled 'a kid'...

I just know that if I was approached by someone in this age bracket I might wrongly label them as a kid judging them by myself at that age.

[RageCash-Ben]

I know exactly what you are talking about Pam.

I am positive I have been dealing with at least one of the people you are referring to and it sounds like they have been giving more than one person the run around.

When you work with people online all you have is their word. People need to realize that their word is their reputation and once you start screwing with peoples business you very quickly lose any and all credibility.

[fresh]

Originally Posted by REßEL

The problem is also that very few like to name and shame.

thats really huge problem and it really surprises me how people are afraid (?) to name those cheaters/timewasters/liars
They must be named, otherwise the trend won't stop as they will get away

[fresh]

I don't see how somebody giving a feedback about the service is a bad thing. By not giving a feedback you just let them rip your fellow webmasters off again and again

[nottslad]

Originally Posted by Greg B

One reason to hesitate is fear of litigation. You don't 'call companies out' on a message board. That could land you in a shitload of trouble. You can ask, get recommendations, post actions but making a declaration about their honesty and integrity could land you in court.

Let your lawyers do your talking.

Seems to me though, people who are being discussed here are not "companies" per se. Someone who begs for early payment for a new monitor or to pay the rent is not normally someone who is going to put a slander case together with a decent lawyer on a huge retainer, because of what was said about them on a message board .... especially if it was true! I agree with others, if it's worth mentioning a bad service it's worth mentioning who it is so we can all know to avoid them. That helps the bad guys lose and the good guys prosper.

I don't do a great deal of outsourcing myself - but I do do some, luckily I have yet to be ripped off. If someone appears they are living dollar to dollar then that is the biggest flag to me. I dont regard them as professional, they obviously can't manage money and paying them anything is clearly a risk.

[BadWolf]

Originally Posted by Greg B

Feedback is one thing, if you step over the line and publicly accuse someone of something and it's not in a humorous vein then you can get into trouble. Feedback is applicable to all who provide service.

An anonymous forum ID is not a legal entity as far as I can tell. I can accuse you of unholy congress with a billy goat and I don't see what you could do about it.

[MoeLoubani]

Some of us are good

Gotta love the Simpsons guys!

But I'm not sure why some people make it so hard and don't really know how to deal when it comes to business, I think a lot of people are in it for the get rich quick type of thing, rather than the long term good business type of thing.

[StoneHammer]

Originally Posted by BadWolf

as far as I can tell. you unholy congress with a billy goat and I see you do it.

oh...i never knew greg was into billy goats

[ScreaM]

Originally Posted by BadWolf

An anonymous forum ID is not a legal entity as far as I can tell. I can accuse you of unholy congress with a billy goat and I don't see what you could do about it.

Yes, I agree. Besides, who is going to sue someone using a proxy?

[BadWolf]

Originally Posted by Greg B

Don't fall for the anonymity. It ain't that secure. Besides you post something on someone's forum and you get the forum owner in trouble. There's more than one way to skin a cat and believe you me the dogs have far more knives than people give em' credit for.

Pointing out that a freelancer doesn't complete his assignments is not going to get the forum owner in trouble. Which is what the subject of the thread is about.

[fresh]

Originally Posted by Greg B

Feedback is one thing, if you step over the line and publicly accuse someone of something and it's not in a humorous vein then you can get into trouble. Feedback is applicable to all who provide service.

yeah I always tell that AFF are thieves on public forums, I must be in trouble right?
The outcome of that is that the same people who riped pam off are going to rip off netpond member A, netpond member B, netpond member C just because she chose to keep it quiet and allow them ripping off other webmasters. Even at this moment maybe some honest ponder is negotiating some biz with one of those scammers/wasters/cheaters

[pam]

Originally Posted by fresh

yeah I always tell that AFF are thieves on public forums, I must be in trouble right?
The outcome of that is that the same people who riped pam off are going to rip off netpond member A, netpond member B, netpond member C just because she chose to keep it quiet and allow them ripping off other webmasters. Even at this moment maybe some honest ponder is negotiating some biz with one of those scammers/wasters/cheaters

Where did I keep it quiet? I believe I posted in that thread that he indeed did not do the work for me, then he posted he'd catch up with everyone, and I posted that he did not.

He didn't rip off Ristac or RageCash_Ben (now DeeCash_Ben?) who both went with him on my recommendation. I don't know who his other clients are, either.

There have been several cases of litigation and I don't believe a forum owner has been held liable for what is said on a forum. If I say JohnDoe ripped me off by doing this and that, he can try to sue me for slander but if I have facts to back up my claim that he indeed ripped me off, a defamation of business suit won't be easy to prove.

[fresh]

yeah somebody does not do the job, you tell about that and they sue you for that

[pam]

Originally Posted by fresh

yeah somebody does not do the job, you tell about that and they sue you for that

It's all perception. It's like if I give your site a bad review you can't sue me, because it's my OPINION. Now, if I said something that was not true, then they have a legal leg to stand on.

But I can't go to court and say, "Fresh called me a bitch and it's ruining my business" because at times, I can be a bitch

[fresh]

haha good point. By the way I did not call anybody that way (just in case somebody would wonder )

[facialfreak]

Originally Posted by pam

Ask FacialFreak who called me out of the blue last week just to answer a support question

Do I know this person?
I try to provide the most personal support I can to my clients - many of whom I consider friends too.

And on that note, and in keeping on topic, I owe Pam work also -- even though no money has been paid upfront, Pam commissioned me last week to do some light design work for her, but my gallbladder had other plans.

Due to this dispute, my gallbladder and I have now parted ways, and I am just getting back into the swing of things today ...

Pam, I will touch base with you today to see if you still are waiting on this work, or if you went ahead and had somebody else do it.

I do apologize for the inconvenience, and I am PM'ing ya now.

[SabrinaDeep]

Hey Pam sweety! Did you finally updated the affiliate link? ;-)
Kiss you!
And hug you!
And keep sending them!
eheheh

ps bad time for a new review?