How many of you host videos ?

[Spike]

I'll be open and honest here.

I had a webmaster post to my blog today. I think he's probly a pay site owner but who the hell knows.

Trying not to make this a huge rant but you must know the facts.

One of my sponsors is G-Queen... Any of you asain site owners may want to check them out because I make good cash from them and so will you...

I got a password from the webmaster of G-Queen to get material to do a promo for their site... he's a good guy and trusted that I wouldn't cross any lines, which I didn't do as far as I know. They don't have many photos or FHGs so I made screenshots from the clips and I free hosted 3 videos - 1 large and 2 small. It did everything that I wanted it to do.

This one clip which pretty much kicks off the start of a 3 part series(Not much nudity but just enough to get people interested). It's 120mb so I decide to upload it to freehost... keep in mind that this is 120mb and there is no way I can keep something of that size on my site.. It would cost me too much to keep it going... period.

To get back to my story. This guy signed into my blog under the name " A Real Webmaster " and had this to say :

"Only a fucking idiot would send visitors to megarotic or any other tube site.. you’re contributing to the death of adult online entertainment as a paid medium..

Just keep embracing these stolen content sharing sites as sales keep plummeting"

Hey ! ... I like to offer a little bit more than a 5 second clip to my traffic and as long as my sponsor is cool with it, Why should I be called the asshole for contributing to all the adult theft that goes on ? I've seen message boards that would blow you away with full adult movies and DVDs... But he comes after me ? The last thing I want to do is send traffic into a free area when I can send them to the members area .. What ! Am I fool? .. No this was done to generate traffic and it worked just the way I wanted it to.

I have maybe 8 clips total. All but 1 is under 20mb ... This is the only large one.

Does anyone here use free-host to post large clips or am I the only one ? Did I break some rule that I don't know about ?

Just to be clear:
The webmaster from gqueen has never complaind about my promos for their site (They didn't tell me I could use free host either) and we both have done well with very little efforts. I give that site a 10 for both quality and integrity. I would never do anything to bring bad business to my sponsors. I tell people the truth about the site and let them decide. I don't lie and I don't force traffic.

Webmasters should understand that it takes more than a few tiny pics to get a site off the ground and making money these days. I host all my own galleries and I will not promote any webmaster that doesn't give me full size photos to work with. 10 years ago you could get away with it but not now. There are some hard hitters out there and they have primo content and super add tools.

I see webmasters out here putting every penny they got into a website based on ONE asian girl that "they" think looks cute... They shoot the pics and videos themselfs and their content ends up being traded on some message board. Of-course they are pissed about it.And for good reason. I don't see any way of stopping this. I just don't do it.

Nobody would like to see those freehosts and torrent sites go away more than me... They are not only taking from my sponsors but they are taking from me as well... Who is going to join or buy anything if you can get it for free ??

It's really comming down to the battle of the best... I know for sure that Bangbros don't care how much you trade their content. Cuz in the end their name is everywhere. I would say that most porn seekers had a membership to bangbros at least once ... That's a lot of cash.

But poor Jo asian with his one Q-T pie is not going to do as well and in the end his content is going to be found in a search engin for free or on one of those rapidshare lists.

I don't know what kind of feedback I am going to get from this post. But it would be interesting to read your thoughts about these hosting services and how in fact they ARE hurting the adult industry and taking sales right out of our hands ...

They say up front if you ever read the TOS ... No copyright and no porn.
If you are not trading PM3s and porn ... What the hell do you need them for ? There is nothing else worth trading ... ha!

Thanks in advance for reading my rant ...

[Varzi Network]

"I don't see any way of stopping this."

Soviet Russia is the answer.

[mikesinner]

The problem with posting your videos on sites like megarotic is that once the surfer hits that site and realizes he can get videos there he will just use the search function on that site or the video list and get his free porn there. He really has no reason to return to your site.

[daedal]

If you are looking for something free a simple search on any search engine, brings up rapidshare, megarotic etc, so most people looking for something free will have come across one of these filesharing sites.

The fact they are just as well known as torrents for allowing downloading of full length movies, then anyone that ends up there is more likely to download a full length movie illegally rather than pay for it.

Although your reason for using it may be totally innocent, the fact is by using a service that generally hosts illegal stuff you are in a way condoning it.

If you can't afford the bandwidth then surely you can't be making enough from hosting these extra length videos anyway, so is there any reason why you want to continue to host something that isn't making you money.

Wouldn't it make more sense to host shorter videos and encourage visitors to go to the sponsors site and pay for the full length video.

[Spike]

Originally Posted by mikesinner

The problem with posting your videos on sites like megarotic is that once the surfer hits that site and realizes he can get videos there he will just use the search function on that site or the video list and get his free porn there. He really has no reason to return to your site.

That depends on what video he saw and if he liked it. If he wants to see more then he will probly go back to where he found the first one. Those sites don't keep a list... I've had membership to a few of them and didn't find much at all.

[Spike]

Originally Posted by daedal

If you are looking for something free a simple search on any search engine, brings up rapidshare, megarotic etc, so most people looking for something free will have come across one of these filesharing sites.

The fact they are just as well known as torrents for allowing downloading of full length movies, then anyone that ends up there is more likely to download a full length movie illegally rather than pay for it.

Although your reason for using it may be totally innocent, the fact is by using a service that generally hosts illegal stuff you are in a way condoning it.

If you can't afford the bandwidth then surely you can't be making enough from hosting these extra length videos anyway, so is there any reason why you want to continue to host something that isn't making you money.

Wouldn't it make more sense to host shorter videos and encourage visitors to go to the sponsors site and pay for the full length video.

I can't go against what you just said there because I agree with you all the way... I like to make a few larger clips available now and then that I can't host myself... I think a lot of surfers are loyal and come back to the same place to see what's new. With any luck you make a few sales out of it, making it worth the risk of sending them away from your page ...

Truth is, Yes .. I'm showing people that there are ways to find free porn when I should keep my mouth shut .. Something to think about for sure.

[mikesinner]

anything bigger than 1 or 2 MB it's going to make the guy get off unless it's very softcore stuff leading to something harder.

[Spike]

Originally Posted by Varzi Network

"I don't see any way of stopping this."

Soviet Russia is the answer.

I don't know what you mean by that but I would say blame North Korea. I don't think anyone trusts them...

[RobertFrans]

dunno how much money you make/have to spend .. but 100mbits unmetered servers are not overly expensive now a days .. you don't need much in hardware for hosting a few movies .. I would get one just to host the movies ... (that is if you make enough money out of it to support one)

As far as promoting .. who cares what others think .. if you use sponsor content the way you see fit and the sponsor is okay with it .. nobody has a right to say anything then.

[Georgie]

I see very little value in providing 120MB of free videos if you're wanting to convert sales. (Exception would be the 120MB has a lot of trailer filler in it, and is cut in a way to keep someone from easily getting off to it.)

In any case, running length is more important than size, and you don't mention that, but I have a feeling these movies are long enough that they probably cut into your sales. This has nothing to do with supporting Megarotic and its business model, and more with appropriate use of free teaser material.

There are a growing number of tube sites that are designed as hosted TGPs, and follow some strict upload guidelines. Snizzshare and Yuvutu are good examples. Do some research and you'll find a number of tubes that make a big effort to keep out the infringers and support the Webmaster model.

Anyone who argues that a site like Megarotic is killing the porn biz because it gives stuff away is conveniently forgetting the zillion and one MGPs out there. Many of these REQUIRE a minimum of 120 seconds of video to be accepted, and over a couple of galleries that's enough for someone to spend his wad rather than his wallet. That's not a converting customer anyway.

Giving away free samples is the way of online porn. You just have to be smart about it.

[rogue]

"a real webmaster" speaks the truth

[Gsx-R]

Originally Posted by rogue

"a real webmaster" speaks the truth

I agree, you should be making every effort to send your visitors to sponsors, every click in plus to get to the sponsor means clearly less chances of making sales.

[Spike]

I should have mentioned that these videos are in 3-4 parts and sometimes even 5.
Very high quality but the story moves slowly. What I mean is.. It takes the girl 15 minuts just to get her top off with all the teasing. It would take me all day to cut and join a short clip that would be considered a teaser.. That's why I took one full section which is the start of a movie. It doesn't give a lot away but enough to call it a teaser.

At the time.. I didn't think of it as promoting file trading. I saw it as a place where I could put this video that wouldn't cost me too much cash to host. I don't care what anyone says. A 120mb video can really put a beating on your bandwidth. I don't have unlimited bandwidth but I would love to know of any host that offers it.

Someone said something about how much money I make ... That has nothing to do with it. I host quite a few teaser vids on my sites and it's fine by me. I don't put up anything over 7mb... I catch bloggers hotlinking my clips all the time. These guys can really do damage...

Every month I have to search google for my site to find hotlinkers and change the name of the files. 2 weeks later they are at it again.

[Sven800]

get a hosting account with hostgator (or a similar oversold host) and host your big movies there - if they are slow, go down, etc. no big loss, as your site is still up.

This would require a second domain though, but at least you have complete control over your promo content.


BTW - Hot linking can be prevented using .htaccess files - google it.

[Hentaikid]

Exactly, I have hosted videos of 300meg or more on my dreamhost account and it's been no problem, get a dreamhost account (Use the promo code BATTY to skip the setup fee or get a 50$ discount) and use it for large file storage.

Everyone froths at the mouth at the mention of dreamhost lately, but I'm sure no one is going to argue it's better to put videos there than on megarotic or rapidshare or similar thieving sites. Or will they?

[Varzi Network]

Hentikid can i see one of your sites offering a 300MB video to the masses?

Since obviosuly you pushing thousands upon thousands of gigs and having not been terminated by Dreamhost you can back up these claims. If you wish to not give a URL feel free to provide us with some other proof of your actual usage over the past 6 months to show you push that much bandwitdh for less then i spend on coffee per week. Otherwise im going to setup my own coupon to be sure not one person on this board will make another penny from Dreamhost on this forum ever again.

[Hentaikid]

I don't do it regularly, but I do host a mirror of large animations some people create occasionally, like Paul Robertson's pirate baby, or Akumi these aren't porn (Though Akumi has a sex scene and nudity) and certainly not being submitted to tgps or anything like that, but Pirate Baby went viral and got reposted on forums all over the world when it came out and I was doing 200gig a day for a while.

Otherwise im going to setup my own coupon to be sure not one person on this board will make another penny from Dreamhost on this forum ever again.

You know the funny thing is I haven't made a single penny off dreamhost since last June and yet I still defend them and get tarred as a referral whore, funny isn't it?

[Varzi Network]

Hentaikid im not against you making money by being honest. But here you advise someone to use Dreamhost to store these huge videos that will or may end up on tubes. We both know that wont fly very long and they will suspend that persons account when he starts hammering the server.

I don't know if you were aware that to many concurrent Video sessions made by large movies can actually crash a server. Even lots of smaller videos with many sessions that begin to stack due to the few on slower connections can actually kill a server. Video hosting on shared hosting in general is for the most part a bad idea due to the load it can generate. I have a customer on a 50GB plan and ended up pushing a sustained 40Mbps by submitting a number of 3-5Mb video clips to various tube sites. Finally the load he created along with hundreds of other sites on that same server caused problems. Instead of shutting his account when he had not responded over 24hrs later we simply blocked the videos. I doubt many lower priced alternatives would be willing to take the time when clicking cancel is much easier.

So to be clear on this not even Dreamhost can offer such a service on cheap shared hosting which is how i know you never did this yourself..

[Hentaikid]

I don't think we're talking about the same things, no one was suggesting streaming video, these are "save link as" and then play on your PC videos, and linked from blogs, i.e. not so many concurrent viewers downloading simultaneously.

But even so, why shouldn't he set up a domain to store his files and go around burning out overselling hosting plans? Even that is gotta be better than using megarotic. Just move the domain to the next overseller and make the most of their unrealistic plans until it's time to move again.

[Varzi Network]

Actually i was not talking about streaming the video here at all. You cannot stream without a true streaming server which im not aware of any hosts being able to offer cheap as the license fees are costly. Those large downloads where you save or open and wait for them to buffer up in Media Player are exactly what im talking about. Actual streaming servers are better for their proper application because they use "less resources" in many cases. When surfer wants to watch only part of your video they must "download" the entire video or small clips. In a streaming server they can simply fast forward to the section they want to see which only buffers a fraction of data to save both resources and bandwidth. It also keeps them from having to clutter up their drive storing large videos and prevents easy redistribution..

There is a reason we do not currently build and send out web pages to the masses as MHT or MAF type Archives. Even a few 5MB videos getting massive amounts of hits per day can bring a shared server to its knees. You should first have some actual understanding before giving advice on the subject. Again im 100% sure that anyone even thinking of uploading 50MB videos on shared hosting and distributing them to the masses will find himself searching for a new host.

Prove me wrong if you like.