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[_LB_]

Originally Posted by anasporn

OK, honest question here:
_LB_ I do not understand how this advertising model works. If the surfers have 4-10 minute length videos to watch, what incentive do they have to sign up to a paysite? I would think it would take a surfer no more than 45 seconds to determine if a clip is interesting or not, but if there are much longer clips, why would a surfer pay for porn when they can just wait for it to be posted on a tube site?

I can understand it probably draws traffic, but what quality is this traffic? I figure you would have already sold them on any email porn possible, so what is left for them to buy?

I am not trying to be a smartasss here; I just really REALLY don 't understand this tube thing at all.

Hey as I said to Hammer, yeah would love to see only 30 sec clips, but if you are offering 30 sec clips, and your competitors are offering 10 min clips, guess where the traffic goes.

Thats what killed tgp2 .. its just not sustainable because you constantly bleed traffic. A middle ground has to be gained. Most people are hypocritical when it comes to tubes. How can you push tgp when picposts convert better and give away less for free, and then in the same breath say tubes should give away tiny clips? There was a similar outcry about tgps when they first started to appear on the scene.

Its true that not many tubes make a profit, but the actual business side of running a tube and why I do run one is knowledge that we regard as private and gives us a competitive advantage. Same with how to turn a profit on the traffic ... there is no way in hell I would share that info that took us almost a year of losses to learn.

[boobie]

PM sent LB

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[anasporn]

Originally Posted by _LB_

Hey as I said to Hammer, yeah would love to see only 30 sec clips, but if you are offering 30 sec clips, and your competitors are offering 10 min clips, guess where the traffic goes.

Thats what killed tgp2 .. its just not sustainable because you constantly bleed traffic. A middle ground has to be gained. Most people are hypocritical when it comes to tubes. How can you push tgp when picposts convert better and give away less for free, and then in the same breath say tubes should give away tiny clips? There was a similar outcry about tgps when they first started to appear on the scene.

Its true that not many tubes make a profit, but the actual business side of running a tube and why I do run one is knowledge that we regard as private and gives us a competitive advantage. Same with how to turn a profit on the traffic ... there is no way in hell I would share that info that took us almost a year of losses to learn.

OK, I can understand if you are unwilling to share how the tube sites themselves make money ... but the question still remains how people submitting videos to the tubes make money by giving away that LONG of clips?

As for the tgp vs tube thing ... you should know I'm not hypocritical on that one! Five pics per "gallery" is all they get from me! LOL And if they wanna see the big pics, they have to look at more ads there as well

[tigermom]

OT - good to see you around again Ana!

[gamemint]

Hmmm, i should start on wankblog.com and trade some traffic ..

[anasporn]

Originally Posted by tigermom

OT - good to see you around again Ana!

Hey back atcha TM I'm back for the summer at least ... nothing left between me and a degree except all science classes.

[Hammer]

Originally Posted by _LB_

Hell in a perfect world all tubes would have a max of 30 second clips.

Unfortunately mate its not a perfect world, and you have to compete in the market which actually exists.

That's true, but you sure don't have to become part of the problem. The truth is that your competitors are all using stolen content and you'll never be able to compete if you only allow honest webmasters to upload clips. So, at what point do you folks draw the line? The tube market is now controlled by highly unethical companies.

[_LB_]

Originally Posted by Hammer

That's true, but you sure don't have to become part of the problem. The truth is that your competitors are all using stolen content and you'll never be able to compete if you only allow honest webmasters to upload clips. So, at what point do you folks draw the line? The tube market is now controlled by highly unethical companies.

I admit most of them are using stolen content, but thats not a long term business plan thats going to survive.

There is enough good content out there that can be used legitimately, also many sponsors hitting us up to get their stuff on our site ... I honestly believe legal tubes can compete quite well.

[Hammer]

Originally Posted by _LB_

I honestly believe legal tubes can compete quite well.

And yet you've just asked webmasters to start uploading much longer clips in an effort to compete.

Why in the world would a porn surfer ever use your tube site once he'd become aware of one like RedTube or ClearClips where he can find thousands of 10 to 20 minutes hardcore videos? As long as there are tube sites that have no ethics, tube sites that only allow sponsor submitted and approved content to be uploaded will never be able to compete, IMO.

Please don't see this as me busting your chops, I just don't see how a legit tube site will compete in the current tube market. Maybe Vivid will win their lawsuit against PornoTube and things will change but I don't think it's likely.

[AWH]

It's not about the length, it is the quality that matter.
As a surfer i would much rather search for 1-2 minute clips in a fetish i like, than looking at 30 minutes hardcore bullshit bang..bang..bang

Ok, i know... OT.

[rogue]

Originally Posted by AWH

It's not about the length, it is the quality that matter.
As a surfer i would much rather search for 1-2 minute clips in a fetish i like, than looking at 30 minutes hardcore bullshit bang..bang..bang

Ok, i know... OT.

thats fine if you only market fetish but still fucks over hardcore webamsters doesnt it?

[Hammer]

Originally Posted by AWH

It's not about the length, it is the quality that matter.
As a surfer i would much rather search for 1-2 minute clips in a fetish i like, than looking at 30 minutes hardcore bullshit bang..bang..bang

That's you, not the average porn surfer. It's about the length.

[mikesinner]

Been trying to upload videos today but not getting the confirmation message.

[anasporn]

Originally Posted by Hammer

That's you, not the average porn surfer. It's about the length.

Are you trying to say "SIZE MATTERS"?

[_LB_]

Originally Posted by Hammer

And yet you've just asked webmasters to start uploading much longer clips in an effort to compete.

Why in the world would a porn surfer ever use your tube site once he'd become aware of one like RedTube or ClearClips where he can find thousands of 10 to 20 minutes hardcore videos? As long as there are tube sites that have no ethics, tube sites that only allow sponsor submitted and approved content to be uploaded will never be able to compete, IMO.

Please don't see this as me busting your chops, I just don't see how a legit tube site will compete in the current tube market. Maybe Vivid will win their lawsuit against PornoTube and things will change but I don't think it's likely.

Many of the long clips on porno, redtube, even xtube and youporn are illegal and not very well policed. They are also quite anti-webmaster so encourage that kinda content.

I believe its not a long term solution and more and more lawsuits will make it hard to stay afloat for those tubes. Sure we may not have the 20 min videos, but we still have some good traffic.. and its quality is higher.

[Hammer]

Originally Posted by anasporn

Are you trying to say "SIZE MATTERS"?

It always has and always will and the only people that say it doesn't so it because they don't measure up.

[mikesinner]

LB, I'm still having trouble getting my clips uploaded

[_LB_]

Originally Posted by mikesinner

LB, I'm still having trouble getting my clips uploaded

Would you mind pming me details ?

Would be helpful to know clip length and file size, your upload speed, and the error.

Thanks mate

[Fuckin Bill]

Why does everyone assume you have to "give away the farm" to put up a 5 minute video?

Have you never watched a porn video? Most clips from the pay sites contain at least 10 minutes on the front with a bunch of teasing and talking and scene set-up. You can post a 5 or 10 minute video and only show 30-60 seconds of actual sexual stuff, but still show off the quality of the movies and the models. A surfer that's watching the scene and gets all into his fantasy story is going to want to watch the rest eventually.

You can also show a few minutes of the teaser stuff and edit the rest of the video into clips and include 1 or 2 minutes of cuts from throughout the hardcore section of the video so they can see what's about to happen, but don't get a chance to watch more than 5 or 10 seconds of any of it.

Webmasters have gotten so used to spoon-fed content and cookie-cutter sites, they have no imagination when it comes to marketing anymore.

[tigermom]

Good point, Bill. However, like TGP's and LinkLists, the owners of the Tube sites are bound to prefer submissions of the real stuff, and not 10 minutes teasers with fully clothed performers and 30 seconds of actual sex. It won't get them the bookmarkers that they want in the long run. If they don't have the rule now, they'll have it later, about a minimum length of time with actual nudity/action.