Why AFF is labeled as bad?

[will76]

Originally Posted by porndump

Is it possible that penthouse might be trying to cleanup AFF's rep....I mean penthouse is a well known company sort of like playboy and I just don't see them buying a company just to ruin their company name!

If penthouse was worried about their rep or AFF's rep they wouldn't have put the AFF crew in charge of all of Penthouses online properties. Giving them the keys to the penthouse sites not only says they don't care, but more so that they don't have a problem with the way AFF operates.

Now, if penthouse would have bought AFF and stepped in and put their own management in place and removed the existing crew then that would be a different story. But they not only didn't do that, they did the opposite and put the AFF management and owners in charge of penthouse's sites. Now why would I expect penthouse to be run any different than AFF since it is run by the same people ?????

[will76]

Originally Posted by bodyrockin

I read every reply/comment posted to this original thread and am more confused than ever, can't really tell if most you just don't like AFF or or AFF is really shady as indicated.

I have been a affiliate for AFF since probably 2001, never really promoting them that much other than having a link out there here and there, that I really have forgot about until I get a check every once in awhile for a link I posted somewhere I can't even remember.

But in the last two weeks a AFF rep personally contacted me and informed me of how much similar site(s) like mine(similar traffic etc) were were earning $100's of dollars per week and she skillfully convinced me to give the AFF some good real estate on my site so she can watch how it does, so I did.

(No I was born at night, but not last knight, know what I mean) so know I don't believe everything just because some one says so..I'mma ole school brother been round da block a few times

I also see big name sites in my niche, that just about all of them now have links to AFF on them so that kinda suggested to me that the program was working for them (and they haven't heard about this shadiness it seems) and I send traffic to them anyway so why not get 1st shot at any AFF business myself..but now the comments here have me confused because I do not really see any real proof being offered to take to the bank per say..and to feel sillier I have no clue what you guys are talking about "Zango"..or AFF promoting CP...is AFF US based, and I don't see any major US based company escaping the Feds if they are related to CP in anyway?

My other question, is AFF only being slammed in adult webmaster forums or is there even more fuel for the fire to legitimize any of these complaints or facts on their operation etc..

I also promote Penthouse and can't see them taking such a chance with their reps id AFF is really this bad a deal to aline with..and that's the wrong word for me "aline" cause if any programs don't make me any money I drop them anyway

Most of you sound like you have pay or membership required sites, which is not how I have generated any success(haven't made as much money as mosyy of you though probably too..LOL) but I'm still out there.

My site always been free and will be unless something changes in the near future and I think after almost 9 years I got a pretty good feel on running a free site..

James

Just trying to get a line on what is truth or what is just irritation?

you have a lot of reading to do, thats all I can suggest. Our opinions have been formed from countless discussion with and about AFF / Cams over the last couple years. You couldn't miss "Zango" if you tried. Do a search on google for zango and AFF or on any messageboard and spend a couple hours reading, I am sure your opinion will change then.

[bodyrockin]

Originally Posted by will76

you have a lot of reading to do, thats all I can suggest. Our opinions have been formed from countless discussion with and about AFF / Cams over the last couple years. You couldn't miss "Zango" if you tried. Do a search on google for zango and AFF or on any messageboard and spend a couple hours reading, I am sure your opinion will change then.

Yeah I'm sure I have not read all there has been said on this topic based on how strongly I see many here stating..but that still doesn't answer my questions as to if they are that bad...why are so many top level sites and programs still promoting AFF and many I personally know just started doing so recently, especiallty if there are rumors or facts that there is CP in there anywhere...hmmmm.

Many of these sites have web designers or webmaster(s) teams etc that surely have to hear these things too right?

Thanks.

[bodyrockin]

Originally Posted by will76

you have a lot of reading to do, thats all I can suggest. Our opinions have been formed from countless discussion with and about AFF / Cams over the last couple years. You couldn't miss "Zango" if you tried. Do a search on google for zango and AFF or on any messageboard and spend a couple hours reading, I am sure your opinion will change then.

Ah okay, is this online with what every one not happy with AFF is hot about?

» AdultFriendFinder.com and the FTC

This one item I found searching "Zango and Aff"

Also saw a article on Zango having to payout $3 million for a suit they lost to the FTC I think on deceptive practices or something or other.

Okay also found the xBiz article, now I unberstand the beef. So is AFF still using Zango today even with al this controversy?

[bodyrockin]

Originally Posted by will76

you have a lot of reading to do, thats all I can suggest. Our opinions have been formed from countless discussion with and about AFF / Cams over the last couple years. You couldn't miss "Zango" if you tried. Do a search on google for zango and AFF or on any messageboard and spend a couple hours reading, I am sure your opinion will change then.

Ah okay, is this online with what every one not happy with AFF is hot about?

» AdultFriendFinder.com and the FTC

This one item I found searching "Zango and Aff"

Also saw a article on Zango having to payout $3 million for a suit they lost to the FTC I think on deceptive practices or something or other.


Okay also found the xBiz article, now I unberstand the beef. So is AFF still using Zango today even with al this controversy? Cause now I will have to seriouslr rethink my recent addition iof AFF prominently on my site...grrrrrrrrrr

[mikesinner]

Originally Posted by pam

Mike, I'd still like information on your accusations. Can you please tell us when and how Moneytree got into legal trouble for doing something fishy with webmaster traffic, and which cam company do you think owns 2 billing processors??

Ask meat, he's the one that complained about moneytree. The only thread I see now is one where he says not to deal with them. I got an infraction for bumping an old post about them by accident but it looks to be gone now.

I'mlive has two billing methods but I do not know for sure that they own them. I just find it strange that when you make your first cc payment you cannot recharge your card without signing up through one of the other programs.

[will76]

Originally Posted by bodyrockin

Yeah I'm sure I have not read all there has been said on this topic based on how strongly I see many here stating..but that still doesn't answer my questions as to if they are that bad...why are so many top level sites and programs still promoting AFF and many I personally know just started doing so recently, especiallty if there are rumors or facts that there is CP in there anywhere...hmmmm.

Many of these sites have web designers or webmaster(s) teams etc that surely have to hear these things too right?

Thanks.

Why do some people still use them:

- Typical "top level sites" care less and less about doing the right thing and only about making money. In some cases they have an owner who is somewhat removed from everything, it's their staff's job to make sure the company makes as much profit as possible so they hit their bonuses or flip side they don't get fired. If they work out a good deal with AFF and they make money most could care less if they use zango or advertise on torrent sites etc.

- You are a good example, you registered here in 2004 so I am sure you have been around a while, why did you add them to your site with out doing research on them (any new sponsor) before you start promoting them?

- A few really don't know better and are new to the industry and they have seen the site before or used it in the past so it was their first attempt at adult.

- AFF has been around since 96 so lots of people have been promoting them for years and either didn't want to take the time to take their shit down, couldnt because it was a tgp, etc...

- Some people simply don't care about business ethics, if the company pays them on time and they make money they don't care about that company's business practices even though it is fucking them in the long run.



AFF doesn't have CP on their site, at least not that I am aware of. What people were making reference to was posts that were made on some boards showing where AFF's banners where showing up on pages with very questionable content and with text descriptions like 13-15 preteen blah blah etc...

Everything shitty about AFF is in their advertising practices and how it affects the rest of us, including their own affiliates. If you read and understand Zango you would see if you are promoting cams.com and the person has zango on their pc they would be redirected to aff.com where you would NOT get credit for the sale but it would still be profit for Various.inc (now penthouse). They screwed their own affiliates as well as everyone else, they admitted to it, made excuses to why they did it.

[bodyrockin]

Originally Posted by will76

- You are a good example, you registered here in 2004 so I am sure you have been around a while, why did you add them to your site with out doing research on them (any new sponsor) before you start promoting them?

Not really a new affiliate for AFF been getting checks from them since 2001/2002.

Yeah I been a member here with this ID since about then yes, but actually this is my 2nd ID, the 1st one I think I joined back in 2001/2002 and posted with a few times when I 1st launched my site...but to be honest I have never really spent much time in any adult webmaster forums and right now is probably the most I have been here of late..and know I should spend more time with folks like in here just to stay up on these issues..my site was kinda on hold for a couple years before I re-launched with the current version, so I really didn't pay much attention to what was going on with sponsors to much during that period between 2003 and 2006 when I relaunched it and got back into full gear..

So was working my main gig in the "real world" per say but this what I do now full time to supplement my early retirement from IBM.

But yeah, I'm gonna have to re-evaluate AFF for abit.. and if making a change is needed then I will.