$1 Paysite...WTF????????

X-Man · 12-11-2002, 05:31 PM

Did you hear about $1 paysite?
Well i did!
http://www.porn4adollar.com/

WTF IS GOING ON!?!?!?!

SwordFish · 12-11-2002, 05:35 PM

Well I can't say it surprises me. Desperate times lead to desperate measures for many. Hopefully at least the members area sucks bad?

Porn prices need to be going UP, not down. That and free content needs to die a slow and painful death (which will never happen I know)

It's going to be funny to see what signup ratios are 5 years from now. By then it'll probably be 1:5000 is considered goldmine traffic.

X-Man · 12-11-2002, 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sword
Well I can't say it surprises me. Desperate times lead to desperate measures for many. Hopefully at least the members area sucks bad?

Porn prices need to be going UP, not down. That and free content needs to die a slow and painful death (which will never happen I know)

It's going to be funny to see what signup ratios are 5 years from now. By then it'll probably be 1:5000 is considered goldmine traffic.

Nothing doesnt need to die except TGPS!!!!
but webmasters doesnt seem to want that...

SaNteria · 12-11-2002, 05:44 PM

nevermind

SwordFish · 12-11-2002, 05:45 PM

TGP's do need to die, along with free content. How much food would you buy if everything was free at McDonalds?

Vick · 12-11-2002, 05:50 PM

Check out the terms

Your trial membership for Porn 4 A Dollar - One Month Membership will begin as soon as your transaction is complete.
Your price is $1.00 for 30 days.
Thereafter you will be charged $42.50 for every 1 month(s) until cancelled.

$1 buck for the first month - $42 for every month after

also they collect your email addy with zip code on the way in
if marketed right can be worth more than the buck - with zip code they have some geo targeting to sell

Also from the out side it looks to be Phoenix content which is inexpensive

They've been around for a while - I saw them about 5-6 months back
Seem to think I've heard something about them but can't remember

SwordFish · 12-11-2002, 06:01 PM

HAHAHAHA Good find Vick!!

What a bunch of fucks!!

The really scummy thing, is on the webmasters program, under the FAQ. It says:

------------------
"How can you pay $5 when you only charge the surfer $1?"

Answer: The average surfer will recur for YEARS at $1 a month, not the 1-2 months average of other sites.
--------------------

Thats fucking funny. The answer isn't "Because we fuck the surfer hard in the ass after the first month" their answer is claiming that the $1 billing continues.

Would they classify as cockholsters Vick?

creaturebeats · 12-11-2002, 06:15 PM

after reading that i would not promote there program...

thanks sword & vick

i gotta start learning 2 read the fine print...lol

Alan · 12-11-2002, 06:37 PM

Hi,

Quote:

Originally posted by Sword
TGP's do need to die, along with free content. How much food would you buy if everything was free at McDonalds?

Erm... if you're looking for the newest newbie in the adult content site business (why would you?), seek no further, you've found him. I apologize if my questions sound really dumb.

Ok here comes one of them:

Why should TGPs die?
I agree that sites receive far too many hits compared to the sales they'll make out of it, but why should it annoy others?
(I don't have links in TGPs...yet, that's why I'm asking)

Thanks to anyone who would be willing to help.

Regards,

Alan.

P.S. Don't you guys celebrate or something, send out a bottle of wine to people who post their 700th post?

SwordFish · 12-11-2002, 06:45 PM

Yes I agree Fred the fees are no big deal really. In fact I would much rather surfers be paying $42 per month than $1 per month.

The thing that irks me, is the webmaster program is presenting it to the webmaster that the surfer only gets billed $1 per month continually, explaining that they can pay $5 anyways, because the surfer will recur for years.

One possibility we should not overlook is that it is possible the tour we are looking at, is not priced the same as what someone would see coming thru an affiliate link.

If it is the same pricing, $5 per signup is HORRIBLE for that type of proggy, and further their webmaster program pages would seem deceptive then.

Who knows...

creaturebeats · 12-11-2002, 06:47 PM

most TGP's give away 2 much free content, making it real hard 2 upsell. You end up with a bunch of traffic but most of it is freeloaders, but if your like me you adapt to the times. Develop new marketing tatics, work harder!!

Some webmaster just wish it was the early/late 90's again when you could put up a picture of a breast and convert 1:10

I will never/never had pay for porn, even became a webmaster just to get the free content but that's another thread...

Electra · 12-11-2002, 06:52 PM

Interesting stuff.

Alan · 12-11-2002, 07:01 PM

Ok I see, there's enough free content for the guy to spank the monkey before even getting to an avs/paysite.

Hmmm.

Okay, TGPs must die!

Thanks creaturebeats.

-Alan

multisexsite · 12-11-2002, 07:22 PM

People are probably joining like crazy!
I bet they are making a ton of money on that site.

Venom · 12-11-2002, 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sword
TGP's do need to die, along with free content. How much food would you buy if everything was free at McDonalds?

you wouldnt need to buy food if it was free

and you would have to pay me to eat at mcdonalds..... its shit

creaturebeats · 12-11-2002, 07:58 PM

lol, Alan

i don't think TGP's need 2 die, from what i see it's a combo of alot of things that need 2 stop but whatever....

multisexsite · 12-11-2002, 08:01 PM

Would it be better as a 50% recurring program?

PaulSweet · 12-11-2002, 08:03 PM

I imagine that if you were worried about chargeback ratios with Visa etc then if you ran a $1 site you could ram in the transactions to lower your ratios.

Even if people charged back the $42.50 you'd probably still be fine with the amount of $1 transactions.

Just food for thought......

I agree that there is too much free porn out there to promote a healthy business environment. Its amazing how many content producers give out free content nevermind paysites giving out free webmaster content.

Vick · 12-11-2002, 09:34 PM

I looked at this program and site some months ago when I first saw it - Don't know if they have always charged $42 per month after the first month

Would be interested in hearing the owners side and knowing what their trial to monthly conversion ratio is

Also is a porn buying credit card holders info worth $5 - I'd say maybe, especially if they are reselling that info and using it to build mailing lists

Add upsales in the members section to reselling the info (not saying that is what's going on, speculation on my part) and building mailing lists and it could be a profitable model

Would I say they're cockholsters - not yet - but the way the deal is presented to webmasters now it can be seen as sketchy and trying to play a webmaster for stupid

Fred has a good point about most trials - same price range - different terms

Again I don't know that they have always been $42 per month so it is possible that the webmaster site didn't get changed

When I see new business models I try to find how they works

Got me to thinking, I have a pay site I could convert to that model and maybe tag a follow me type program to it Hmmmmmm

as for TGP's they probably aren't going away - I've always hoped they would collapse under their own weight (not being profitable) but it doesn't seem that is happening as many TGP owners have come up with new revenue streams (selling listings, selling traffic very cheaply)

PornDarwinism ........

SwordFish · 12-12-2002, 08:29 AM

Vick it is intriguing. How does this sound? Five dollar porn. All the porn you can want for $5 dollars. And it rebills at $5 too. Have a follow me type program with 10 or 15 sites. Pay $10 or $12 per signup. Push the fact to the surfers that it is only $5 for the whole month, not a trial and the price NEVER goes up.

I'll bet the rebills on that would be phenomenal. It's hardly worth the effort of cancelling to save the $5 per month. Customers will pay the $5 per month as a fee to not have to screw with cancelling.

It's an idea.

:thumbsup:

12-11-2002, 05:31 PM	#1 (permalink)
X-Man I wear the pants at Netpond! Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 262 Points: 0	$1 Paysite...WTF???????? Did you hear about $1 paysite? Well i did! http://www.porn4adollar.com/ WTF IS GOING ON!?!?!?!

12-11-2002, 05:35 PM	#2 (permalink)
SwordFish U.S. of A. Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Home Posts: 2,723 Points: 0	Well I can't say it surprises me. Desperate times lead to desperate measures for many. Hopefully at least the members area sucks bad? Porn prices need to be going UP, not down. That and free content needs to die a slow and painful death (which will never happen I know) It's going to be funny to see what signup ratios are 5 years from now. By then it'll probably be 1:5000 is considered goldmine traffic. __________________ Carpe desig. Seize the sig.

12-11-2002, 05:45 PM	#5 (permalink)
SwordFish U.S. of A. Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Home Posts: 2,723 Points: 0	TGP's do need to die, along with free content. How much food would you buy if everything was free at McDonalds? __________________ Carpe desig. Seize the sig.

12-11-2002, 05:50 PM	#6 (permalink)
Vick I caught Jayman looking at my bottom! Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Little South of Sanity Posts: 81 Points: 0	Check out the terms Your trial membership for Porn 4 A Dollar - One Month Membership will begin as soon as your transaction is complete. Your price is $1.00 for 30 days. Thereafter you will be charged $42.50 for every 1 month(s) until cancelled. $1 buck for the first month - $42 for every month after also they collect your email addy with zip code on the way in if marketed right can be worth more than the buck - with zip code they have some geo targeting to sell Also from the out side it looks to be Phoenix content which is inexpensive They've been around for a while - I saw them about 5-6 months back Seem to think I've heard something about them but can't remember __________________ Recommended by Discriminating Perverts Everywhere

12-11-2002, 06:01 PM	#7 (permalink)
SwordFish U.S. of A. Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Home Posts: 2,723 Points: 0	HAHAHAHA Good find Vick!! What a bunch of fucks!! The really scummy thing, is on the webmasters program, under the FAQ. It says: ------------------ "How can you pay $5 when you only charge the surfer $1?" Answer: The average surfer will recur for YEARS at $1 a month, not the 1-2 months average of other sites. -------------------- Thats fucking funny. The answer isn't "Because we fuck the surfer hard in the ass after the first month" their answer is claiming that the $1 billing continues. Would they classify as cockholsters Vick? __________________ Carpe desig. Seize the sig.

12-11-2002, 05:44 PM	#4 (permalink)
SaNteria I can have a custom title now! Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 24 Points: 0	nevermind

12-11-2002, 06:15 PM	#8 (permalink)
creaturebeats I'm wearing my Netpond nappies still! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: USA, NYC Posts: 34 Points: 0	after reading that i would not promote there program... thanks sword & vick i gotta start learning 2 read the fine print...lol __________________ "since i will not lose they try to help him cheat, but i will not lose for even in defeat it's a valuable lesson learnt so it evens it up for me..." icq# 167091257

12-11-2002, 06:45 PM	#10 (permalink)
SwordFish U.S. of A. Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Home Posts: 2,723 Points: 0	Yes I agree Fred the fees are no big deal really. In fact I would much rather surfers be paying $42 per month than $1 per month. The thing that irks me, is the webmaster program is presenting it to the webmaster that the surfer only gets billed $1 per month continually, explaining that they can pay $5 anyways, because the surfer will recur for years. One possibility we should not overlook is that it is possible the tour we are looking at, is not priced the same as what someone would see coming thru an affiliate link. If it is the same pricing, $5 per signup is HORRIBLE for that type of proggy, and further their webmaster program pages would seem deceptive then. Who knows... __________________ Carpe desig. Seize the sig.

12-11-2002, 06:47 PM	#11 (permalink)
creaturebeats I'm wearing my Netpond nappies still! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: USA, NYC Posts: 34 Points: 0	most TGP's give away 2 much free content, making it real hard 2 upsell. You end up with a bunch of traffic but most of it is freeloaders, but if your like me you adapt to the times. Develop new marketing tatics, work harder!! Some webmaster just wish it was the early/late 90's again when you could put up a picture of a breast and convert 1:10 I will never/never had pay for porn, even became a webmaster just to get the free content but that's another thread... __________________ "since i will not lose they try to help him cheat, but i will not lose for even in defeat it's a valuable lesson learnt so it evens it up for me..." icq# 167091257

12-11-2002, 06:52 PM	#12 (permalink)
Electra Save the Squirrels Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The US Posts: 2,066 Points: 0	Interesting stuff. __________________ Mainstream Webmasters Resource. Make money with your Mainstream sites. Board Scanner. A FREE service from All Of 'Em.

12-11-2002, 07:01 PM	#13 (permalink)
Alan Netpond Warrior Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 147 Points: 0	Ok I see, there's enough free content for the guy to spank the monkey before even getting to an avs/paysite. Hmmm. Okay, TGPs must die! Thanks creaturebeats. -Alan

12-11-2002, 07:22 PM	#14 (permalink)
multisexsite Fuck off Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 1,261 Points: 0	People are probably joining like crazy! I bet they are making a ton of money on that site.

12-11-2002, 07:58 PM	#16 (permalink)
creaturebeats I'm wearing my Netpond nappies still! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: USA, NYC Posts: 34 Points: 0	lol, Alan i don't think TGP's need 2 die, from what i see it's a combo of alot of things that need 2 stop but whatever.... __________________ "since i will not lose they try to help him cheat, but i will not lose for even in defeat it's a valuable lesson learnt so it evens it up for me..." icq# 167091257

12-11-2002, 08:01 PM	#17 (permalink)
multisexsite Fuck off Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 1,261 Points: 0	Would it be better as a 50% recurring program?

12-11-2002, 08:03 PM	#18 (permalink)
PaulSweet I wear the pants at Netpond! Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 204 Points: 0	I imagine that if you were worried about chargeback ratios with Visa etc then if you ran a $1 site you could ram in the transactions to lower your ratios. Even if people charged back the $42.50 you'd probably still be fine with the amount of $1 transactions. Just food for thought...... I agree that there is too much free porn out there to promote a healthy business environment. Its amazing how many content producers give out free content nevermind paysites giving out free webmaster content. __________________ Paul Sweet Content Manager Sweet Entertainment Group

12-11-2002, 09:34 PM	#19 (permalink)
Vick I caught Jayman looking at my bottom! Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Little South of Sanity Posts: 81 Points: 0	I looked at this program and site some months ago when I first saw it - Don't know if they have always charged $42 per month after the first month Would be interested in hearing the owners side and knowing what their trial to monthly conversion ratio is Also is a porn buying credit card holders info worth $5 - I'd say maybe, especially if they are reselling that info and using it to build mailing lists Add upsales in the members section to reselling the info (not saying that is what's going on, speculation on my part) and building mailing lists and it could be a profitable model Would I say they're cockholsters - not yet - but the way the deal is presented to webmasters now it can be seen as sketchy and trying to play a webmaster for stupid Fred has a good point about most trials - same price range - different terms Again I don't know that they have always been $42 per month so it is possible that the webmaster site didn't get changed When I see new business models I try to find how they works Got me to thinking, I have a pay site I could convert to that model and maybe tag a follow me type program to it Hmmmmmm as for TGP's they probably aren't going away - I've always hoped they would collapse under their own weight (not being profitable) but it doesn't seem that is happening as many TGP owners have come up with new revenue streams (selling listings, selling traffic very cheaply) PornDarwinism ........ __________________ Recommended by Discriminating Perverts Everywhere

12-12-2002, 08:29 AM	#20 (permalink)
SwordFish U.S. of A. Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Home Posts: 2,723 Points: 0	Vick it is intriguing. How does this sound? Five dollar porn. All the porn you can want for $5 dollars. And it rebills at $5 too. Have a follow me type program with 10 or 15 sites. Pay $10 or $12 per signup. Push the fact to the surfers that it is only $5 for the whole month, not a trial and the price NEVER goes up. I'll bet the rebills on that would be phenomenal. It's hardly worth the effort of cancelling to save the $5 per month. Customers will pay the $5 per month as a fee to not have to screw with cancelling. It's an idea. :thumbsup: __________________ Carpe desig. Seize the sig.

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