how does money making with mainstream work?

slipfoe · 03-31-2007, 10:11 AM

ok, i understand how to do it in adult (build millions of TGPs/FreeSeites and submit them) - but how to do that in mainstream?

1. build topic specific site (like about cherry pie - with about 15 articles)
2. optimize site for search engines
3. gather some inbound links to your site
4. put adverts on it. (to stay simple i'd take adsense PPC)
5. now do that 4 steps again and again for other topics.
6. after you've built about 100 sites on different topics you should generate some income

am i right or is there something i haven't thought about?

PornFactory · 03-31-2007, 01:28 PM

I would say that would be the way to do it...

Beejeebers · 03-31-2007, 06:06 PM

You forgot this:

7.) Cry when the search engines change their algo and your sites drop off their listings.
8.) Start over again.

EasterBunny · 05-20-2007, 06:18 PM

Both replies are on the right path.

You're doing well and have the right concept to do mainstream work but with ad companies not being able to keep their story straight I don't see the benefit.

tigermom · 05-24-2007, 03:21 AM

It's not the best of models, IMHO. It's not a bad one, but these sites aren't real money makers. With such a site, you'll be making $0-$500 a month per site. Yes, the range begins with a zero and here's why.

Getting just a few inbound links to your site isn't enough anymore. There is a lot of competition, and you are not the only one making a web page about cherry pies. There are several dozens of mega portals out there, starting with about.com and then 50 other leading recipe sites, that will be competing over the term cherry pie. Guess what, they'll win too. You are more than likely to get very little SE traffic if at all. When you do get some traffic, you are likely to see maybe $1 ecpm from adsense at most. Cherry pies isn't a lucrative adsense term

The model you describe was good up to a few years ago. The market is more crowded now and the SE's are getting smarter too. They are looking for quality results. They recognize link patterns and weigh in link quality, more than quantity. It's not just PR or even on-topic pages... organic quality link building with links from authority sites is the name of the game.

The only way to win this game and make good money is to make a really good website. Something that will actually make people a. bookmark and return b. tell their friends c. tell their friends by linking to you from real blogs, real boards, real sites.

Getting links from authority sites is possible. You can even get links to your sites from respectable university resource sites... if your sites do actually provide useful information.

Back to your cherry pie example. If you find that there are enough people who are cherry pie freaks, then create a real site, with useful information and unique sticky content about cherry pies, you could do well. Maybe a cherry pie recipe generator, where people enter the exact type of cherries and ingredients and get a fully detailed recipe along with a picture. Maybe a virtual cherry pie game, where they arrange cherries on top of a virtual pie. Maybe a monthly contest with prizes to the best picture of a cherry pie. Maybe even a cherry pie freaks board. Anything that will make them go "wow" and make people in the cherry pie community talk about your site (of course, make sure that there is a cherry pie community/freaks out there first

).

Now, once you have a unique and original quality site, you can start promoting it properly. Get links from authority sites (find the top 10 search results on Google for cherry pie and try to squeeze a link from them, explaining to them that they will be providing their surfers with a good resources). Contact leading cherry pie bloggers and let them know about your site. Issue a press release about your site launch. Get the buzz going.

Repeat that only 5 times if you like, because each one of these sites will end up making you 20 times more than the shallow no-quality sites.

LinXhunter.com · 05-24-2007, 03:39 PM

Its not a good model in my opinion.

You only need ONE site to be successful in mainstream

The search engines dont like a site that is quickly made and then left to rot. Like your visitors, the search engines want to see quality, useful content that is updated regularly.

In other words you need to create quality and keep working at it, not just a few niche pages.

Beejeebers · 05-25-2007, 12:39 AM

Good advice here. Both models work. Both models require a crapload of work and both models are at the whim of the algos. I wouldn't recommend doing one big ass site and hoping it's good enough, you'll get blown out of the water eventually and all your income will be down the tube. Instead maybe 10 sites in different industries and of medium size would be a good comprimise. Work on one a month and take 2 months off at the end of the year!

tigermom · 05-28-2007, 04:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beejeebers

Good advice here. Both models work. Both models require a crapload of work and both models are at the whim of the algos. I wouldn't recommend doing one big ass site and hoping it's good enough, you'll get blown out of the water eventually and all your income will be down the tube. Instead maybe 10 sites in different industries and of medium size would be a good comprimise. Work on one a month and take 2 months off at the end of the year!

3 big ones work better for me

If they are good enough, unique and sticky, it's going to get difficult to kick you out of the water. But, like you said, no guarantees with any model.

alpha_male · 05-31-2007, 03:34 PM

biggest thing in mainstream is luck. that when you sell some thing about 1million other people sell the same thing and user will only buy from one of them.

Inno-CenT · 06-01-2007, 01:15 AM

how long does it take to make a quality website?
content wise, where can we get the content?

tigermom · 06-02-2007, 03:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alpha_male

biggest thing in mainstream is luck. that when you sell some thing about 1million other people sell the same thing and user will only buy from one of them.

Same is true in adult when you're selling. In mainstream you don't have to sell. You are essentially creating an advertising platform and selling ad space.

tigermom · 06-02-2007, 03:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Inno-CenT

how long does it take to make a quality website?
content wise, where can we get the content?

A good big portal - at the very least one year, more likely 2-3 years. That includes building a community too and building up traffic.

Content is not the most difficult part. If you can write, then research and write your own. Otherwise hire a good writer (costs about 50 cents a word though - investing several thousands in content is normal).

Inno-CenT · 06-02-2007, 05:54 AM

seems to be quite tough to make a really very successful mainstream site,
anywhere, do u know where to hire a good writer?

Nicky · 06-02-2007, 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Inno-CenT

seems to be quite tough to make a really very successful mainstream site,
anywhere, do u know where to hire a good writer?

Well it does take a lot of blood, sweat and tears to make any business work... doesn't it?

adultfora · 06-11-2007, 07:15 PM

Most mainstream websites get popular after a few years
The best advaice to you would be dont stop working on your site even if you only get around 30 unique a day after 6 months - just work, submit and maybe make linkexchange with sites who are in same "biz" as you site.

Try to start an competitions and use som cash on prices - people love free stuff

03-31-2007, 10:11 AM	#1 (permalink)
slipfoe I'm New Here So Be Gentle Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1 Points: 0	how does money making with mainstream work? ok, i understand how to do it in adult (build millions of TGPs/FreeSeites and submit them) - but how to do that in mainstream? 1. build topic specific site (like about cherry pie - with about 15 articles) 2. optimize site for search engines 3. gather some inbound links to your site 4. put adverts on it. (to stay simple i'd take adsense PPC) 5. now do that 4 steps again and again for other topics. 6. after you've built about 100 sites on different topics you should generate some income am i right or is there something i haven't thought about?

03-31-2007, 01:28 PM	#2 (permalink)
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03-31-2007, 06:06 PM	#3 (permalink)
Beejeebers the only prescription is...more cowbell Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 1,666 Points: 100	You forgot this: 7.) Cry when the search engines change their algo and your sites drop off their listings. 8.) Start over again. __________________ PPC-Coach.com

05-24-2007, 03:21 AM	#5 (permalink)
tigermom Yes, that's a Harry Potter book Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 3,319 Points: 4,748	It's not the best of models, IMHO. It's not a bad one, but these sites aren't real money makers. With such a site, you'll be making $0-$500 a month per site. Yes, the range begins with a zero and here's why. Getting just a few inbound links to your site isn't enough anymore. There is a lot of competition, and you are not the only one making a web page about cherry pies. There are several dozens of mega portals out there, starting with about.com and then 50 other leading recipe sites, that will be competing over the term cherry pie. Guess what, they'll win too. You are more than likely to get very little SE traffic if at all. When you do get some traffic, you are likely to see maybe $1 ecpm from adsense at most. Cherry pies isn't a lucrative adsense term The model you describe was good up to a few years ago. The market is more crowded now and the SE's are getting smarter too. They are looking for quality results. They recognize link patterns and weigh in link quality, more than quantity. It's not just PR or even on-topic pages... organic quality link building with links from authority sites is the name of the game. The only way to win this game and make good money is to make a really good website. Something that will actually make people a. bookmark and return b. tell their friends c. tell their friends by linking to you from real blogs, real boards, real sites. Getting links from authority sites is possible. You can even get links to your sites from respectable university resource sites... if your sites do actually provide useful information. Back to your cherry pie example. If you find that there are enough people who are cherry pie freaks, then create a real site, with useful information and unique sticky content about cherry pies, you could do well. Maybe a cherry pie recipe generator, where people enter the exact type of cherries and ingredients and get a fully detailed recipe along with a picture. Maybe a virtual cherry pie game, where they arrange cherries on top of a virtual pie. Maybe a monthly contest with prizes to the best picture of a cherry pie. Maybe even a cherry pie freaks board. Anything that will make them go "wow" and make people in the cherry pie community talk about your site (of course, make sure that there is a cherry pie community/freaks out there first ). Now, once you have a unique and original quality site, you can start promoting it properly. Get links from authority sites (find the top 10 search results on Google for cherry pie and try to squeeze a link from them, explaining to them that they will be providing their surfers with a good resources). Contact leading cherry pie bloggers and let them know about your site. Issue a press release about your site launch. Get the buzz going. Repeat that only 5 times if you like, because each one of these sites will end up making you 20 times more than the shallow no-quality sites. __________________ Glass Mannequin real amateurs, real kinkiness and non-saturated - now with AWESOME blog feeds! Gay Traffic? ZBuckz high conversions

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LinXhunter.com LinXhunter Man Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 8 Points: 0	Its not a good model in my opinion. You only need ONE site to be successful in mainstream The search engines dont like a site that is quickly made and then left to rot. Like your visitors, the search engines want to see quality, useful content that is updated regularly. In other words you need to create quality and keep working at it, not just a few niche pages. __________________ I need to make a total 10 posts before my sig can be seen, so until then, why not check out Netpond's sponsors

05-20-2007, 06:18 PM	#4 (permalink)
EasterBunny Money Maker ;) Join Date: May 2007 Location: NYC Posts: 567 Points: 0	Both replies are on the right path. You're doing well and have the right concept to do mainstream work but with ad companies not being able to keep their story straight I don't see the benefit.

05-25-2007, 12:39 AM	#7 (permalink)
Beejeebers the only prescription is...more cowbell Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 1,666 Points: 100	Good advice here. Both models work. Both models require a crapload of work and both models are at the whim of the algos. I wouldn't recommend doing one big ass site and hoping it's good enough, you'll get blown out of the water eventually and all your income will be down the tube. Instead maybe 10 sites in different industries and of medium size would be a good comprimise. Work on one a month and take 2 months off at the end of the year! __________________ PPC-Coach.com

05-31-2007, 03:34 PM	#9 (permalink)
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