Mainstream vs adult - Page 2

Baldbastard · 05-25-2006, 09:52 AM

Kamilla toplist traffic is crap no matter what colour you make it, and the same people try. What sort of sites submit to top lists any way? warez?

Beejeebers · 05-25-2006, 11:36 AM

You can send some adult traffic to mainstream, but you have to "wash" it of it's adult traces first. Otherwise you will get banned by the networks. Plus there are very few niches in mainstream that can convert the adult traffic...

It is always best to keep the adult stuff separate from the mainstream in general.

fresh · 05-25-2006, 11:47 AM

but what if i had a ringtonesite+google adsense and i put a banner of it as a ringtones in my adult hub or what ever
will i get banned? make no sense

Baldbastard · 05-25-2006, 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrbean

but what if i had a ringtonesite+google adsense and i put a banner of it as a ringtones in my adult hub or what ever
will i get banned? make no sense

Was your adult traffic looking for ring tones? no
linking a adult site to a non adult site can be deadly, unless your non adult site has enough incoming links to counter it, thats unless you have it in the same link structure as your adult site, then its certain death.

you can send adult to a medium domain where they can then click on links to go to sites where your run your non adult banners just expect a click thru rate of 0.00000001%

If you ponder on this more than 30 seconds you will never make good $$$ in non adult. And as for ring tones.... show me anyone paying there rent from them, it's one traffic area I would never touch, way to competive and lacking in $$$ for me. Much better to go make yourself a coffee and then do a review site on your kettle, anything but ringtones, and snake oils, shit theres even more $$$ in tropical fish.

pvt.spanky · 05-25-2006, 01:21 PM

I have been constantly plugging away at mainstream for years and I have never been able to convert the traffic, even with adsense. But I don't give up.

Here's a current problem with one of my mainstream blogs. One of my pages is #2 on MSN for a certain term. But, if you click on the page (which surfers are doing) Adsense is showing a "Public Service Ad". So, of course the surfers aren't clicking on it. It has nothing to do with the article.

My latest mainstream problem is that I built a community website for people who like video games. It is the most complicated thing I have ever put together. I update the site daily with news and new functions all the time. Users are able to rate, review, comment on all articles written, they can have there own profile, and there's a fully integrated message board. I have about 15 members. People visit the site every day. But, it's like no one actually uses it. It sucks when you build something totally sweet, and you're the only one active member.

So, I get frustrated and return to adult. Adult can be boring, but we all know it works.

Baldbastard · 05-25-2006, 01:48 PM

" I built a community website for people who like video games "
so that would be for 14 year olds or 16 year olds?

psa does content match page titile, try adding some new ads

pvt.spanky · 05-25-2006, 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baldbastard

" I built a community website for people who like video games "
so that would be for 14 year olds or 16 year olds?

psa does content match page titile, try adding some new ads

Actually, the market is expanding as people have now grown up with console & computer games in their lives. I intend on tartgeting the 18-35 year old demographic. I am going to try not to get too frustrated with this until I give it more time to develop.

I am expirimenting with new Adsense ads and layouts.

Carrie · 05-25-2006, 01:58 PM

Don't assume the gamers are all teens without money.
Remember most of us Gen-X folks now in our 30s grew up on video games and we're still hardcore gamers... we've just done a gradual move from Commodore64 to Atari to Nintendo to PC games with joysticks to Xbox/PS2...

And the 30-somethings have much more money to spend than the teens do (albeit they don't do impulse purchases as much).

fresh · 05-25-2006, 02:14 PM

[quote=Baldbastard]Was your adult traffic looking for ring tones? no
[quote]
Still dont understand. i have my own porn hub. i have own ringtones site. i link from porn to ringtones. Some of them buy couple ringtones. So who is gonna ban me? The ringtones sponsor for that some porn surfers, not a regular surfer, bought few its ringtones? I understand if i link from mainstream to adult, coz its non underage site and so on, but where is problem if some adult surfer see the ringtones?

kaktusan · 05-25-2006, 06:28 PM

I am just breaking into the mainstream seriously with a software site, soon you will be able to preview it

Thomas The idea about the Ebay thing is really cool. From lots of time i am hearing people make loads of cash selling software, ready sites and etc.. there. I also want to start making something like that, but never had anyone to give me some basic guide.. I will be pretty glad if you and someone else could start a thread and try to explain us the ebay thing

fresh · 05-25-2006, 07:29 PM

good idea about software selling, i know programmer who makes good cash selling his programs or so.

Hentaikid · 05-25-2006, 08:16 PM

I don't mean, like I said, dumping tgp surfers onto an adsense page, more like having links to a review site on my hentai site, which includes mainstream as well as adult shows, that sort of thing. It's easier to get traffic for the porn toons, but the same viewers might like to check out the reviews too

TheShiftyEyedBastard · 05-26-2006, 02:53 AM

Video game traffic is a bit hard to convert, simply because most don't make those kinds of purchases online, plus there are so many sites out there with huge bank accounts, not to mention everytime a kid wants to put up a website, it is video game related.

It can take years to build up the traffic, unless you can get ahold of exclusive info where many sites will link to you driving up your cred.

I'd maybe throw up some affil links to lik sang, or similar importer sites, that sell products that everyone can't pick up at their local targets. It should make more cash than adsense, simply because adsense keywords payout for video game related searches aren't very high.

Once traffic is up, start hitting up game publishers, and hardware companies and testing out their products in exchange for incoming links.

_LB_ · 05-26-2006, 05:17 AM

I agree with most of you guys about video games.

Firstly most of your traffic is children, even though I agree there are still quite a few adult gamers (though many of them have no money anyway because they are always playing games!)

Secondly I agree with shifty on looking around there are more games websites out there and not such a big income pie.

Also can I also add that ringtones are the last thing i would ever touch. That and mobiles. There is money in the topic but so many millions of websites its just a waste of time and energy that can be better spent elsewhere.

ting_tong · 05-26-2006, 05:35 AM

Mainstream rocks! Definately big time.
I made my main income from ebaying (not on e-bay though) before i started this adult thingy.

I am allso going to move back to exactly that, but just have a few adult project to see through first. And yes... ebaying is definately a huge money maker.

tigermom · 05-26-2006, 05:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carrie

Kinda obvious, but bears saying... if you're working from home and have kids, it's much nicer and easier to be doing mainstream where they can see what you're doing (or even watch and/or help!) without you having to rush to minimize the browser.

lol I so know what you mean... I try to work on adult only when the little ones are away on kindergarten.

90% of my income comes from mainstream. It took me several years to build it up, but it's proving to be extemely stable, even when I have most of my time devoted to developing adult sites. Adult and mainstream are surprisingly different, both in the revenue model and the way people work and do SEO. Took me a while to adjust my way of thinking and bend over to do what most AWM do (i.e. link farms from the main pages of sites). In mainstream you also don't have TGP and linklists. You have directories but that's 90% SEO and not for direct traffic.

Overall, I think mainstream is a lot easier. Pick a topic, research a little, put together a small site even (larger is bigger) with unique original and meaningful articles about your subject + a links page (or more, you want to keep it with under 20 outgoing links per page). Get good unique content that will help your surfers and now do gradual link exchanges. Oh, and of course, slap adsense on your pages. You can also add some affiliations (Amazon, CJ or others), but in my experience adsense is more profitable and affiliations are meaningless when you don't have enough traffic. Build your traffic up gradually and wait for the SE's to get your pages nicely indexed and up the SERP's. It takes a while, but I can do a site over the weekend (8-9 pages of original text), promote it gently over several months with link exchanges and bring it to the point where it will steadily bring in $100 a month with no additional work.

Why do adult then? well, as I said, most of my mainstream income is adsense (though that is gradually changing nowdays, as I sell advertising spots directly to advertisers on my larger sites, plus throwing CPM networks in there as well). I want to diversify and see if I can make at least some of my income come in from different sources.

seeandsee · 05-26-2006, 07:14 AM

Personaly i have 50 sites with many topics, bigest amount of traffic i get from mainstream Toplists and 5%-10% of traffic is from Google.

I have ~3K on all sites per day, and that is working great. I need to catch more SE traffic, so i expect more traffic on end of this year...

I Google Adsense and Shareasale for horoscope, Adbrite is used for poker and similar stuff you can't use with Adsense.

ControlT · 05-26-2006, 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baldbastard

so that would be for 14 year olds or 16 year olds?

Gamers used to be mostly children. But that has changed over the years.

Please check:

"The average game player is 33 years old and has been playing games for 12 years."

http://www.theesa.com/facts/top_10_facts.php

Kamilla · 05-27-2006, 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baldbastard

Kamilla toplist traffic is crap no matter what colour you make it, and the same people try. What sort of sites submit to top lists any way? warez?

Not sure what toplists you've experienced, but my toplist are are honest and I've added all my sites to my toplists. It's a great way to get targeted traffic for sure.
But yes, just as in any other business, you have to look out for cheaters.

tajmahal156 · 05-27-2006, 09:26 AM

i run several adult blogs ... and started only 1 mainstream site... and i found very similarities on how to get traffic... (i've learned fewtricks fro adult) and it's working... so i will start more mainstream web sites this summer... but have to learn a lot of things more...

05-25-2006, 11:36 AM	#22 (permalink)
Beejeebers the only prescription is...more cowbell Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 1,666 Points: 100	You can send some adult traffic to mainstream, but you have to "wash" it of it's adult traces first. Otherwise you will get banned by the networks. Plus there are very few niches in mainstream that can convert the adult traffic... It is always best to keep the adult stuff separate from the mainstream in general. __________________ PPC-Coach.com

05-25-2006, 11:47 AM	#23 (permalink)
fresh so fresh and so clean Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: I like You. See Sig Posts: 15,838 Points: 60	but what if i had a ringtonesite+google adsense and i put a banner of it as a ringtones in my adult hub or what ever will i get banned? make no sense __________________ Adult Hosting - decent quality + good price 35$ per signup + Dating 1.25$-5.00$ per email = $$$

05-25-2006, 01:21 PM	#25 (permalink)
pvt.spanky If we're fucked up, you're to blame... Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Alpha Platoon Posts: 3,152 Points: 385	I have been constantly plugging away at mainstream for years and I have never been able to convert the traffic, even with adsense. But I don't give up. Here's a current problem with one of my mainstream blogs. One of my pages is #2 on MSN for a certain term. But, if you click on the page (which surfers are doing) Adsense is showing a "Public Service Ad". So, of course the surfers aren't clicking on it. It has nothing to do with the article. My latest mainstream problem is that I built a community website for people who like video games. It is the most complicated thing I have ever put together. I update the site daily with news and new functions all the time. Users are able to rate, review, comment on all articles written, they can have there own profile, and there's a fully integrated message board. I have about 15 members. People visit the site every day. But, it's like no one actually uses it. It sucks when you build something totally sweet, and you're the only one active member. So, I get frustrated and return to adult. Adult can be boring, but we all know it works. __________________ Adult Webmaster Blog

05-25-2006, 01:58 PM	#28 (permalink)
Carrie I have defied gods and demons... Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Virgin - nee Posts: 2,553 Points: 0	Don't assume the gamers are all teens without money. Remember most of us Gen-X folks now in our 30s grew up on video games and we're still hardcore gamers... we've just done a gradual move from Commodore64 to Atari to Nintendo to PC games with joysticks to Xbox/PS2... And the 30-somethings have much more money to spend than the teens do (albeit they don't do impulse purchases as much). __________________ Speak your mind, even if your voice shakes. --jayeff

05-25-2006, 02:14 PM	#29 (permalink)
fresh so fresh and so clean Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: I like You. See Sig Posts: 15,838 Points: 60	[quote=Baldbastard]Was your adult traffic looking for ring tones? no [quote] Still dont understand. i have my own porn hub. i have own ringtones site. i link from porn to ringtones. Some of them buy couple ringtones. So who is gonna ban me? The ringtones sponsor for that some porn surfers, not a regular surfer, bought few its ringtones? I understand if i link from mainstream to adult, coz its non underage site and so on, but where is problem if some adult surfer see the ringtones? __________________ Adult Hosting - decent quality + good price 35$ per signup + Dating 1.25$-5.00$ per email = $$$

05-25-2006, 09:52 AM	#21 (permalink)
Baldbastard -------------------------- Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Sydney Posts: 2,171 Points: 235	Kamilla toplist traffic is crap no matter what colour you make it, and the same people try. What sort of sites submit to top lists any way? warez?

05-25-2006, 01:48 PM	#26 (permalink)
Baldbastard -------------------------- Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Sydney Posts: 2,171 Points: 235	" I built a community website for people who like video games " so that would be for 14 year olds or 16 year olds? psa does content match page titile, try adding some new ads

05-25-2006, 06:28 PM	#30 (permalink)
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05-25-2006, 07:29 PM	#31 (permalink)
fresh so fresh and so clean Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: I like You. See Sig Posts: 15,838 Points: 60	good idea about software selling, i know programmer who makes good cash selling his programs or so. __________________ Adult Hosting - decent quality + good price 35$ per signup + Dating 1.25$-5.00$ per email = $$$

05-25-2006, 08:16 PM	#32 (permalink)
Hentaikid Yep, I made this animation myself Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 9,462 Points: 75	I don't mean, like I said, dumping tgp surfers onto an adsense page, more like having links to a review site on my hentai site, which includes mainstream as well as adult shows, that sort of thing. It's easier to get traffic for the porn toons, but the same viewers might like to check out the reviews too

05-26-2006, 02:53 AM	#33 (permalink)
TheShiftyEyedBastard Just a Pirate Searchin' For Booty Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: stockton, ca Posts: 7,535 Points: 5	Video game traffic is a bit hard to convert, simply because most don't make those kinds of purchases online, plus there are so many sites out there with huge bank accounts, not to mention everytime a kid wants to put up a website, it is video game related. It can take years to build up the traffic, unless you can get ahold of exclusive info where many sites will link to you driving up your cred. I'd maybe throw up some affil links to lik sang, or similar importer sites, that sell products that everyone can't pick up at their local targets. It should make more cash than adsense, simply because adsense keywords payout for video game related searches aren't very high. Once traffic is up, start hitting up game publishers, and hardware companies and testing out their products in exchange for incoming links. __________________ <A HREF="http://www.netpond.com/newadmin/click.php?cat=10"><IMG SRC="http://www.netpond.com/newadmin/banner.php?cat=10" border=0></A><br> Kim Kardashian Video

05-26-2006, 05:17 AM	#34 (permalink)
_LB_ Pornography Engineer Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 9,925 Points: 42	I agree with most of you guys about video games. Firstly most of your traffic is children, even though I agree there are still quite a few adult gamers (though many of them have no money anyway because they are always playing games!) Secondly I agree with shifty on looking around there are more games websites out there and not such a big income pie. Also can I also add that ringtones are the last thing i would ever touch. That and mobiles. There is money in the topic but so many millions of websites its just a waste of time and energy that can be better spent elsewhere. __________________ New Unsaturated Niche Sites! Make The Most Of Your Traffic!

05-26-2006, 05:35 AM	#35 (permalink)
ting_tong Is Aga really Little Buddha? Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 4,670 Points: 136	Mainstream rocks! Definately big time. I made my main income from ebaying (not on e-bay though) before i started this adult thingy. I am allso going to move back to exactly that, but just have a few adult project to see through first. And yes... ebaying is definately a huge money maker.

05-26-2006, 07:14 AM	#37 (permalink)
seeandsee ■ Don't be good ■ Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: ~ MODERATORS HELL ~ Posts: 16,834 Points: 10	Personaly i have 50 sites with many topics, bigest amount of traffic i get from mainstream Toplists and 5%-10% of traffic is from Google. I have ~3K on all sites per day, and that is working great. I need to catch more SE traffic, so i expect more traffic on end of this year... I Google Adsense and Shareasale for horoscope, Adbrite is used for poker and similar stuff you can't use with Adsense. __________________ *** BOSBUCKS 75$ PER FREE TRIAL PROMO TILL END OF 2008 *** Click banner Make [Weg] Ca$h \| BOSBUCKS PAYS 75$ PPS \| JMC $ \| PROMOTE ASS TITANS \| BOSBUCKS FOR YOU MILF, CELEBS, TEEN & VOD TRAFFIC

05-27-2006, 09:26 AM	#40 (permalink)
tajmahal156 Is Aga really Little Buddha? Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,235 Points: 20	i run several adult blogs ... and started only 1 mainstream site... and i found very similarities on how to get traffic... (i've learned fewtricks fro adult) and it's working... so i will start more mainstream web sites this summer... but have to learn a lot of things more... __________________

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