There is no shortage of any content in any niche.

[Paul Markham]

Within reason, I'm sure there are a few weird niches that are hard to get. But other than them the statement is true, what ever you want can be shot, found and bought.

You want trannies, gay, hairy or what ever you can have it. If you can afford it. And there's the crunch. Here's a little story to illustrate what I mean.

2 years ago I went to the Berlin Venus show and was standing in the bar with Shemale Joanne Jet discussing us selling her content via the stores. In all honesty what she earned from it on her own site makes it not profitable to sell via the store. While talking a sponsor I know came over and told me the Venus show was useless for him as no one would sell him Shemale or gay content.

I told him I could get all he wanted in both niches, exclusive or semi and told him the prices I think he would need to pay. He said he could not pay that. So it was not that the content was not available it was he could not afford it.

This same thing happened at the recent Prague show and a sponsor asking if I could shoot "Party Hardcore" content. Disco full of wild women and some fucking the male strippers. I told him the price and he fell off his chair, he was think $10,000 to $15,000 tops per scene and a big discount if he ordered lots of scenes.

Same a few years ago with people asking for "Perfect Gonzo" or "Bang Bus" style content. The content can be bought, if you can afford it.

What has this to do with you driving traffic to sites? Everything.

If you use content to start the surfer moving in the direction you want, content in the tour, content to reattain, to upsell or cross sell that content is going to make or break your efforts. Spend too little on it and you have less reasons for a surfer to become a member, less reasons to stay a member and need more traffic to hit the same sales target.

You can send more traffic to poorer performing sites, but the wise affiliates know better.

The balance is what you spend on creating the content that will convert and retain your hard work. Any industry that spends 50% on throwing new traffic at content that costs 5% (OK maybe 10%) is not going to get a lot of customer loyalty.

The above is my view of it and I'm sure all those who can get get great unique content will jump in and tell you about it and how well their sites convert.

[Head Boy]

I thought this forum was about amateurs producing their own content because the content producers charge too much for content that misses the niche.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Head Boy

I thought this forum was about amateurs producing their own content because the content producers charge too much for content that misses the niche.

Sorry I thought it was about photography and content, but no doubt you will twist it to your favorite pet gripes.

Did you ever think how little the buyers know about the niche? For a content provider to survive they have to buy over priced content that does not fit the niche.

Of course people pushing a niche they don't understand and buying content from people shooting it who like wise don't understand it. That would make a good thread. I'm amazed at the people who still think porn is photography.

Could always shoot it themselves like Batts did.

[pam]

I can afford it.

I need 150 photos of models with hairy nipples, and I don't mean a few hairs, I mean at least 10 like my models have.

Where can I find it?

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by pam

I can afford it.

I need 150 photos of models with hairy nipples, and I don't mean a few hairs, I mean at least 10 like my models have.

Where can I find it?

Now that might fall into the "Within reason, I'm sure there are a few weird niches that are hard to get. But other than them the statement is true, what ever you want can be shot, found and bought."

Physical things might be hard to find, but if you have the money I'm sure you can find the girls. If they exist.

Try advertising on the models sites where you find all the great models.

[tigermom]

What's so hard about finding women with hairy nipples? I bet there are lots and lots of them out there that would happily do a shoot for the right price. Run an ad in a newspaper and you'll be flooded. All she was asking for was 10 hairs not a bushy curly chest (and I'm sure you have those out there as well). Here's a tip, try the laser hair removal salons and I bet you'll find dozens of potential models. Now, all you have to do is offer them the right amount of cash and someone might do the job for you.

[Rofl]

What is the old saying?

"Sucking the Mango"?

[pam]

I've never found a model on any model sites, Paul, as I've never looked. I know they are there, but I prefer to have models who haven't done work for other people if possible, plus I'm not looking for beauty.

I've run ads and models who claim to be hairy are not, or are more what webmasters think is hairy but my surfers do not. Yes, I have models with hairy chests.

I have been to the local laser salons and have talked to many women with hairy nipples, and all are too embarassed to have photos taken. Unless you've lived with an embarassing affliction, you can't understand the shame. Some people can't be bought and I'm not going to wave $500 under the nose of a woman to make her do something she isn't comfortable doing.

[Globofun]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

2 years ago I went to the Berlin Venus show and was standing in the bar with Shemale Joanne Jet discussing us selling her content via the stores. In all honesty what she earned from it on her own site makes it not profitable to sell via the store. While talking a sponsor I know came over and told me the Venus show was useless for him as no one would sell him Shemale or gay content.

I told him I could get all he wanted in both niches, exclusive or semi and told him the prices I think he would need to pay. He said he could not pay that. So it was not that the content was not available it was he could not afford it.

Paul, again you do not know what you are saying....

Maybe it was HIS case, but why would I buy content that will not be profitable for my sites?

I was approched by a guy for some exclusive shemale content shot in Brazil for $2500 a scene.

Can I afford it? YES

Would it be profitable for me to pay that much for a paysite? NO

Why would I pay for something I can get for $500-650 a scene, and also made by professionals in Brazil?

Tell me?

Everybody can ask the price they want, but is it really profitable for the buyer?

You said it would not be profitable for her to sell her content in a content store........... and you said this guy could not afford it.

Maybe it was not profitable for him to buy it, and was not really the fact he could not afford it!

HUGE difference!

[BadWolf]

Maybe if you stop charging more than $15,000 per scene you won't have to keep marking your content down 50%.

It sounds to me like the problem is not that people can't afford content but that Paul Markham can't shoot to meet the demands of potential customers.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by tigermom

What's so hard about finding women with hairy nipples? I bet there are lots and lots of them out there that would happily do a shoot for the right price. Run an ad in a newspaper and you'll be flooded. All she was asking for was 10 hairs not a bushy curly chest (and I'm sure you have those out there as well). Here's a tip, try the laser hair removal salons and I bet you'll find dozens of potential models. Now, all you have to do is offer them the right amount of cash and someone might do the job for you.

Dead right, I have no idea if the models are around I was just suggesting Pam try there. I'm sure Pam was telling us of all the amateur models to be found on models sites that would pose for $100 a scene. She should try there as a first step.

As for being embarrassed Tuula and Veronica was saying there's money in girls not showing their faces, so that might be a possibility. Unless they're wrong!!

Globofun, you did not get it did you. The content is worth it to the content owner, so why should they sell it because the sponsor can't afford it? He was the one saying he was short of it. I'm sure if he could buy it for $500 a scene he would not be wandering around the Venus show asking for it. Is $500 for hardcore? If so I need to find these people.

BadWolf what are you talking about? I will shoot custom for a lot less. Selling at 50% off every so often makes us a lot of money. That's how on some scenes we make $15,000 but not what we shoot custom for. The 50% is a reflection more on what sponsors are willing and able to pay rather than what we sell for. Remember this is sponsors affiliates are sending traffic to.

I can see a photography/content forum is a good idea, as so many have so much to learn. But not from me.

But no worries keep flaming me and the shooters will see the reaction I get. Many see the world from my view. So you're doing a great job.

[pam]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Dead right, I have no idea if the models are around I was just suggesting Pam try there. I'm sure Pam was telling us of all the amateur models to be found on models sites that would pose for $100 a scene. She should try there as a first step.

As for being embarrassed Tuula and Veronica was saying there's money in girls not showing their faces, so that might be a possibility. Unless they're wrong!!

If you want a site of body parts without a face, then I'm sure you can find what you seek. If you want photos of the entire woman including her face, then hairy nipple content isn't that easy to find. I do have one model in California and am negotiating to work with her, but I need more.

I also can't shoot a video of a woman with no face.

As for the model sites, I don't need hardcore content, Paul. Nor do I want models who advertise themselves and are on a lot of sites. I believe I said that above.

[Tuula]

See even on ignore, I can't ignore him, where have I personally EVER said that I could make money by not showing my face?

NO WHERE! And now to clarify this to you for one last time, I do NOT post face or headshots on boards because it is against my contract, just like I do not post links on boards, it's called protecting my investments.

If there's no shortage, then get me some squirting content, I want 6 models with 6 different looks and not teens, I want mid 20's to 30's for age, med build ladies with curves and money isn't an issue.

[Head Boy]

Well Tuula, it seems that if you really want to make money, you should get a merkin for your boobs.

[Tuula]

Originally Posted by Head Boy

Well Tuula, it seems that if you really want to make money, you should get a merkin for your boobs.

What's a merkin? I do make really good money, we just don't agree with posting stuff on boards, but I'm not going to hijack this thread and explain what the benefits are in not posting certain things on boards. Because believe it or not there are some.

[Head Boy]

A merkin is a pubic wig. Prostitutes used to shave off their pubic hair to avoid getting lice. The wig they used to replace it was called a merkin.

(and I'm not making any insinuations. I'm just using the word as a sexual wig. ).

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Tuula

If there's no shortage, then get me some squirting content, I want 6 models with 6 different looks and not teens, I want mid 20's to 30's for age, med build ladies with curves and money isn't an issue.

Hit me up on ICQ and we can discuss it. I can get squirting models here, I know a few who can do it.

Sorry Pam you were the one who said new amateur models were easy to find and cheap. Just because they do hardcore does not mean they can't do softcore. I'm sure you were telling us how there were lots of them and they were easy to work with. Want me to post the link to the posts?

You also said you had lots of hairy women writing to you asking for work. In fact you needed shooters more than models. So the hairy woman thing does not include nipple hair. Pity.

[pam]

There are tons of AMATEUR models on those sites, Paul, and that is what I said. Don't twist my words.

And yes, I do have lots of hairy women wanting work, and yes, I have ads out there for photographers. So what? Hairy women does not always mean hairy nipples. Obviously you haven't a clue about the niche.

I'm done feeding the troll. Enjoy your new little forum.

[Varzi Network]

Originally Posted by pam

Enjoy your new little forum.

He wont be here all that much longer im almost sure of that one.