How Many One Way Links........? - Page 2

PicturesMovies.Info · 05-20-2008, 01:51 AM

And what about linking between your own sites on the same IP?

I think that ABC link trade can be "uncovered" in google algorithm when sites on the same IP are linked to each other. Am I right or wrong? If I were google, I would pay attention to this.

Pandaman · 05-20-2008, 05:00 AM

I LOVE debates about Google that NEVER involve Google Links!!! Call me crazy but what going to Google about how Google works???

Start by going to How can I improve my site's ranking? At the end of:

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Sites' positions in our search results are determined based on a number of factors designed to provide end-users with helpful, accurate search results. These factors are explained in more detail at Google Technology.

NOTE: For some reason the hyperlink is edited to have the anchor text "Google Technology"? and there is not an html wrap... This does not change any linking...

The hyperlink Google Technology is a page that talks about and explains PageRank???

So GOGGLE links (LITERALLY) a "Sites' positions in our search results" to PageRank BUT PageRank has nothing to do with a "Sites' positions in our search results"???

Please, anybody who can explain this away jump on in... Current links appriciated.

Randy

Adriaan · 05-20-2008, 05:22 AM

in my opinion sites results have absolutely NOTHING to do with pagerank but more with CONTENT-RICHNESS on the page!

kaktusan · 05-20-2008, 05:52 AM

100k PR0 links might not get you even PR1, but they can climb you to first page on google search results, which will bring you more $$ than any PR. don't trade for PR guys, trade for traffic itself and for SERP. When doing linktrades carefully rotate your site anchors with keyphrases you are targetting at.

Pandaman · 05-20-2008, 06:13 AM

Top Secret Link...

Please do not share this...

Webmaster Guidelines

Want to know how to get top ranking in Google??? There it is. Webmaster Guidelines

I realize that the conventional wisdom is to ignore Google's advice about Google... But, for silly me, that does not make a lot of sense. I believe Google has knowledge of Google and do follow Google's Guidelines.

Randy

Lots of truth in this Randy, however, google's guidelines are so vague. For example. . .
'Make sure all the sites that should know about your pages are aware your site is online.'

You know how you make them best aware. . . call them up let them know. . . but that doesn't make your site rank.

instead it means make sure all (or rather as many of them as possible) the sites that have important trust rank currently link back to your site in that niche thus showing your ranking importance.

The main point you put out though is still valid. . .(as kaktusan mentioned as well) . . . don't trade for PR. I only have PR so that those with the almighty SERP want to link to me. . .lol.

Pandaman · 05-20-2008, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by dirtwars

Lots of truth in this Randy, however, google's guidelines are so vague. For example. . .
'Make sure all the sites that should know about your pages are aware your site is online.'

You know how you make them best aware. . . call them up let them know. . . but that doesn't make your site rank.

instead it means make sure all (or rather as many of them as possible) the sites that have important trust rank currently link back to your site in that niche thus showing your ranking importance.

The main point you put out though is still valid. . .(as kaktusan mentioned as well) . . . don't trade for PR. I only have PR so that those with the almighty SERP want to link to me. . .lol.

dirtwars,

I Totally Agree with you...

Kats is absolutely right...

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Originally Posted by kaktusan

100k PR0 links might not get you even PR1, but they can climb you to first page on google search results, which will bring you more $$ than any PR. don't trade for PR guys, trade for traffic itself and for SERP. When doing linktrades carefully rotate your site anchors with keyphrases you are targetting at.

I half agree with Adriaan....

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Originally Posted by Adriaan

in my opinion sites results have absolutely NOTHING to do with pagerank but more with CONTENT-RICHNESS on the page!

PR does influence ranking, BUT it is a very, very minor factor and Content-Richness is the key.

Two points:
1. Everybody should read the Google Webmaster Guidelines for themselves. A reinterpretation of a reinterpretation of a reinterpretation of a reinterpretation of a reinterpretation normally is not anywhere near what Google says.
2. Build the site for the SURFER, NOT the spider... I do very well with my PR and ranking in the search engine. I build to attract and keep surfers coming back. FIRST. Second is proper metatags, keyword count and the other little things I do to appease the spider. All my SEO work on a site is normally done in an hour when I am building the site. After that I am aware of SEO, but I build for surfers, not spiders.

Randy

daedal · 05-20-2008, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Pandaman

Two points:
1. Everybody should read the Google Webmaster Guidelines for themselves. A reinterpretation of a reinterpretation of a reinterpretation of a reinterpretation of a reinterpretation normally is not anywhere near what Google says.

2. Build the site for the SURFER, NOT the spider... I do very well with my PR and ranking in the search engine. I build to attract and keep surfers coming back. FIRST. Second is proper metatags, keyword count and the other little things I do to appease the spider. All my SEO work on a site is normally done in an hour when I am building the site. After that I am aware of SEO, but I build for surfers, not spiders.

Randy

Couldn't agree more about building for the surfer. My most popular site does well purely because surfers like it, when you start getting hundreds of bookmarks then you know your doing something right.

Pandaman · 05-20-2008, 03:30 PM

daedal,

Love them directories!!!

Randy

Pandaman · 05-21-2008, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by kathtam

Google's only interest lies in the quality of the search results and no ways are they going to tell any of us how to fiddle the serp's. So yes, it makes sense to read their guidelines but at the same time I wouldnt believe a word they say.

You cant go wrong with one way back links. The million dollar question however is what are they worth

Kathtam,

I have preached for years that Google is a business and their search results are their product. Google will do anything it takes to protect themselves. No, they are not going to give us the specific algorithm, and I do believe it is tweaked to prevent spamming of search results. I do tend to believe Google Guidelines. Why??? They are not very specific. BUT, they make sense and I follow them and get my share of Google hits, plus some.

As far as one way back links... I do agree they have high value. But, I still think the most valuable links are links in the content of the blog or site. Links who have rich keyword content relevant to the link surrounding the link. I do not trade permanent index page links with blogs/sites I do not own. BUT, I will trade a post level link. In 8 to 14 days the link drops into the archive, BUT it still exists and there is no "trade" to keep track of. Plus, nothing says the link trade has to be A to B and B to A. Your teen to my teen and my mature to your mature. In two weeks we reverse the trade. I do believe that the links would count as a one way trade, NOT reciprocal linking. The links are post level and if done properly the reciprocal post link from B to A does not occur until the link from A to B has dropped into the archive. Natural Linking...

Just my thoughts...

Randy

Pandaman · 05-22-2008, 05:37 AM

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Originally Posted by kathtam

This brings me back to the question I asked about directory links. These are without any shadow of a doubt the easiest and most cost effective way of getting bulk back links. But what are the really worth? Should you have to pay to get your site reviewed for a listing? If so how much is fair? Accepted that content rich features and posts are another way of building and especially when you are deep linking. But once again what is it costing you in time and money and how do we lock in that value?

Kathtam,

I am going to make the assumption you are talking about submitting your blog/site to directories...

I do not submit to directories where I have to give them a index page reciprocal link. Normally you get a big boost of traffic if they list the latest submissions on the index page. BUT, then you are shuffled off to a subpage in a subcategory. So you make 2 sales off the traffic you initially get and give up dozens of sales in return as your traffic is bleed off over time from the index page links/traffic leaks on your index page.

Just my take...

Randy

DiscoNinja · 05-22-2008, 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Pandaman

Top Secret Link...

Please do not share this...

Webmaster Guidelines

Want to know how to get top ranking in Google??? There it is. Webmaster Guidelines

I realize that the conventional wisdom is to ignore Google's advice about Google... But, for silly me, that does not make a lot of sense. I believe Google has knowledge of Google and do follow Google's Guidelines.

Randy

Sorry but I think that Google guidelines is just throwing a dust in our faces. For example: if you search for anal sex (keywords for which I try to compete) in Google (anal sex - Google Search) you'll see that the best ranking site besides Wikipedia is site "Anal Sex Yes". This site is in the third position out of 31 million. Now if you analyse it you will see that it has only 17 pages indexed, it's content is crap, and the majority of it's backlinks (shown by Google) is from totally irrelevant PR4 URL mimi in NY, so we can say it's strongest backlinks are also crap.
So looking at this example made me think of those guidelines as crap too. People are abusing them a lot and getting a lot of money, it is just a matter of knowing how to do it and where is a limit.

dirtwars · 05-22-2008, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DiscoNinja

For example: if you search for anal sex (keywords for which I try to compete) in Google (anal sex - Google Search) you'll see that the best ranking site besides Wikipedia is site "Anal Sex Yes". This site is in the third position out of 31 million. Now if you analyse it you will see that it has only 17 pages indexed, it's content is crap, and the majority of it's backlinks (shown by Google) is from totally irrelevant PR4 URL mimi in NY, so we can say it's strongest backlinks are also crap.
So looking at this example made me think of those guidelines as crap too. People are abusing them a lot and getting a lot of money, it is just a matter of knowing how to do it and where is a limit.

I was interested in what you wrote and did a quick link look at the site you mentioned. Here is what I found. . .

miminenewyork.blogspot.com is not the strongest backlink on that site. . .. not even close. . best links on that site are:
89.com (and anyone else getting links from search engines who use dmoz powered directories)
pumpkin-porn
toss-my-salad
masturbationalist
cuntcircus
sex-bracelets
sex-vetrag
sexreporter
masturbationhorror. . . .

I can go on. Miminenewyork is a run of site link used to land the anchor text 'anal sex'. Maybe its about the 50th best link on that site. 100 links from a site doesn't make that link more important than 1 link from something that matters.

Now those links alone don't complete the entire link profile. . .there are a ton of other authority links that give validity to that site.

Furthermore this site doesn't suck. Its an aggregate with links going out to all types of anal sex and ways to have anal sex, etc.(not to mention a bit of porn) Sometimes adult webmasters forget that terms like 'anal sex' aren't always searched for porno. Its a component but not the sole reason for that search term.

Don't forget the site is also 8 years old. . . that says a lot, and I'm calling something out right here. Google is moving back to authority, older sites a bit stronger right now. . .don't know if its here to stay.. . but I see authority 'older' established sites popping back up in the search engines. Mark these words 'Trust Rank'. Your site doesn't necessarily need to be old. . but it does need 'trust' to rank and stay ranked in competitive search words.

But all this is just my two cents. . . SEO is a sketchy business at best . . so take my comments for what its worth.

dirtwars · 05-23-2008, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by kathtam

Yes, but not for traffic. Directories imho are the easiest and "cheapest" source of one way back links but what is a fair price? What is the value of a link?
Older is good but what do you mean by Trust Rank?

What is a fair price . . .what is the value of a link. . . lmao. The eternal question. A lot of that depends on exactly what that one link will do for your site and how your site looks currently. If that one link is going to be enough to put you from #12 to #3 in a competitive word that turns good money monthly then its worth a bit. If you are #12 and it is only going to put a dent in the climb then its worth less. Also how much is ranking for those search words your hunting for worth? If number 1 only creates $200 mo. that link is worth a lot less than keywords that will turn you $2,000 mo.

As for what is Trust Rank. . that is where the phrase comes from, although I was using it in a broader sense. What i mean by trust rank is how trustworthy is your site in the eyes of the SE. If your old well established, etc. your known not to be spam and adding links to your site works easy. But were not talking about that. We are talking about new sites. So the SE isn't quite sure if the site is worthy of trusting yet. . . well if you have trustworthy links from trusted sources coming into your site the SE start to trust you more. That is what i mean by improving your trust rank.

That is part of why accepting to some directories is good. I was hating on directories and thought they were a waste of time. . . but lately I've begun to move back to grabbing links from them from time to time, because they are old and well established and are one way of showing your site isn't spam and has some trustworthiness.

dirtwars · 05-25-2008, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by kathtam

I use the free directory lists to get my new sites started and they work as well as any. The problem however is that they keep falling over and the cost of replacing them is an expense I could do without.I can see the sense of paying more to get a listing in an established directory but I cant see much sense in paying the sort of premiums Yahoo charge for example. And does it make sense to pay $5 for a link review in a brand new directory? If not when would that sort of price start making practical sense? I cant see that it would be worth anyones time charging much less but if a directory is going to be run properly I would expect them to charge more. Do people pay $15 - $25 for a directory back link. Do they pay more?

What do you mean by falling over. . . you mean going deep into the pages. . never to be seen again? Check the directories your using. Every directory has a different set up. Some keep you on the main page. I have a tendency to use them if i can.

As for paying. . I am yet to pay for a directory link. Most aren't worth piss. As for the yahoo directory its excellent. . . but paying $300 for a look and listing of your site is probably not a great investment. . . until your blog might warrant that type of payment. (e.g.-the blog earns 2k monthly. . a one time $300 investment for SEO security may be a good idea). Still you don't need to do that just add the link manually when you start and hopefully after an eternity it gets listed for my favorite price. . . FREE

As for these small directories asking for $5 . . . screw them unless that directory warrants that authority for your search term. Send some links of the directories asking for this. I've come across them. . but don't really go for them. The directories I will link to/ and swap links with/ are the ones that have been around for a while and are standards in the online porn industry. . . Twan has a list in his signature.

Also people will offer free listings here from time to time. . submit your sites there. One way free links are great.

Keep in mind I don't submit to directories for traffic. . . only for their authority link to show my site isn't just another load of spam crap. . . .(even though some of them are).

Also when I said something in response to disconinja about an 8 year old site. . . I was stating that site has inbound links coming to it from years ago. . . its not really older sites that matter, in my opinion its older links (Greywolf).
Thus there is more value in a link from Donald's Pizza Shack from 2001 then that same link from there started in 2008. . .just like wine they get better with age.

As for paying for links (and remember I said I never bought a directory link). . . remember a link is worth different amounts for different reasons. . . its all relative. There may be a site with a PR5 selling a link for $200 for the year. . . and the site is the following:
title: Johnny's Porn Palace
url: johnnyspornpalace.com
keyword density: high for porn , high for sex, high for big tits.
ranks in top 50 for keywords: Big Tits, porn sex sites, big tit porn, etc.

Now if my site is Dirtwars Big Tit Porn Site and I'm looking to land for the keywords 'big tit porno', 'big titties', 'big tit bitches', etc. . .

This link is worth considering. Good trusted high rank link in my area . .

But if my site is: Dirtwars Kinky Femdom Slaves. . .

well I'm prolly better off paying $10 for a link on a site like 'Fetish Dominatrix Slaves' with a PR 1 that ranks top 10 for 'Femdom Slaves'. EVEN THOUGH you might think damn that PR 5 is so good, blah blah blah. Don't get me wrong the link would still help. . . but I'll take from the area that is more oriented to my niche for a fraction.

Also keep in mind a lot of what was mentioned prior in this thread. That PR5 link with 200 outbound links and 500 links on that page total isn't worth jack. People sell based on PR all the time. . and higher PR isn't always a better deal. So when someone is selling a link for a lot look at the outbound links. . look at their inbound links (are they good links), look at their theme, look at yours. . .

eventually you'll start finding the right sites to go to. Look I'm eating up this thread with type. . . PM me if you have specific questions. . . or this will be (and already has been) going off topic.

dirtwars · 05-27-2008, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by kathtam

Its obvious that know your game but I have got different take on the value of one way directory back links, in that I use them daily and have got sites to rank using nothing else. Granted we are talking Travel rather than Adult and the targeted key words may not be as competitive as some. But the point is that three month old, free directories work and they work well. The problem is the attrition and the fact that I have to run harder and harder just to stay in the same place. Owners lose interest and give up and there goes the time you spent looking for and submitting.

One way back links work irrespective of where they are from and the free directories are a good place to start for anyone who is unsure of where to go and what to do. I accept that relevancy, age of the link and other factors add oomph to the end result but just how much is still open to question and interpretation.

I submit to between 20 and 50 new directories every month and the quicker you get your link in the better your chances are of getting accepted. What I would like to find is a list of adult friendly free link directories.

Unfortunately there is a slight change when you switch over from mainstream to adult when it comes to directory submission. Most good adult directories require a recip. link back to their directory. Which leads to a dilemma that many webmasters here will debate and that is how many and which directories would you like to submit to? You can also submit to the mainstream directories if you want to take the time and the risk. You can also create an article and submit to article directories as well and grab some link power. . . . .

Its just it gets more difficult, a lot of directories post outright they don't want adult. I will say this . .. if you know how to work that route, and have a collection of directories to submit to that works then use those. . . if your looking for the same thing in the adult industry. . . well you'll be harder pressed. Its out there and you can probably find a good 50-60 directories list that doesn't require a recip. . but the links are often of low value and quality. In my opinion I can do the same thing with web 2.0 social bookmarking. . . although a lot faster and more content relevant, with better sites.

Read this post you'll get a few free 1 way directory links but at the end of the day . . Manilla Man's comment at the end sums it up. . .
http://www.netpond.com/blogging-foru...ing-sites.html

If your interested in the workings of Social Bookmark sites check this thread. . .
http://www.netpond.com/blogging-foru...submitter.html

At the end of the day these things (directories and SB submissions) will help your site but in my experience I'd say that it isn't enough on its own.

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