How Many One Way Links........?

[montapar]

Ok, I have been in the SEO business since around 2000 or so, when SEO was still being developed/discovered, but the one thing I have never figured out (and maybe because I never asked or looked into it), but When doing link building campaigns, how many links do you want to have at a minimum?

I know some of you are going to give me the vague answer of "As many as possible" or " There are never enough", but seriously...

For example, in the Netpond Shop Forum right now, there is a guy offering links on 159 sites for 500 points. SO obviously, that would give my site 159 links coming in, but is that good? and when I mean good, I mean, is that enough links to even make a difference in my sites' PR, or are we talking I need to go out and get thousands or even tens of thousands of one way links coming in??

Someone enlighten me..... Where is Yoda when you need him??

[daedal]

Because of the way Page Rank works its not always the number that matters. 1 Link from a PR9 site will give you a great page rank. 1000 links from other sites won't.

For my blogs. I list in around 20 directories, do maybe 10 link trades and that's it. They generally get a pagerank of 1-3 when google updates. If they have a rank already, add them to non reciprocal directories and maybe 5 more link trades and they normally jump an extra pagerank.

There is no secret formula, its always the quality of the link. If you are not going to do quality links then its quantity and thats why some people have a pagerank 2 blog with thousands of inlinks.

[modarazzi]

I give my site hard links in any chance I can get and it seems like I havnt touched a page rank yet, it is a bit frustrating

[Jethro]

Originally Posted by modarazzi

I give my site hard links in any chance I can get and it seems like I havnt touched a page rank yet, it is a bit frustrating

Yea ...same here with me dude

[kard63]

Originally Posted by daedal

Because of the way Page Rank works its not always the number that matters. 1 Link from a PR9 site will give you a great page rank. 1000 links from other sites won't.

For my blogs. I list in around 20 directories, do maybe 10 link trades and that's it. They generally get a pagerank of 1-3 when google updates. If they have a rank already, add them to non reciprocal directories and maybe 5 more link trades and they normally jump an extra pagerank.

There is no secret formula, its always the quality of the link. If you are not going to do quality links then its quantity and thats why some people have a pagerank 2 blog with thousands of inlinks.

I Pmed you about this.

[diablom]

I build links until my site stands in the first page of google by my main keywords

[alessandro]

Link building is a permanent process. As others pointed out before me, it's not the number that really counts but the quality, relevancy to the links you acquire for your site.

Link building also involves "n" factors to take into account, but the number of links would be one of the last ones to think about.

[markz08]

Its not the quantity of links but the quality of those sites linking to you. You don't have full control on your IBLs as there are possibility that a lot of sites will link to you if you have a good site whether that site is in good quality or not.

[modarazzi]

Originally Posted by markz08

Its not the quantity of links but the quality of those sites linking to you. You don't have full control on your IBLs as there are possibility that a lot of sites will link to you if you have a good site whether that site is in good quality or not.

so why is it I cant seem to get a page rank?

[beautyinmd]

Pagerank is simple about the sites linking back to you- if a pr9 links to you - you get a pr7
if a pr5 links ot you a pr3- pagerank has nothing to do with content only who links back to you.

[modarazzi]

so really all I would need is a page rank 2 to link to me and I will have an awesome page rank but for how long?

[beautyinmd]

Originally Posted by modarazzi

so really all I would need is a page rank 2 to link to me and I will have an awesome page rank but for how long?

Pretty much- I can get a page that says coming soon to have a pagerank- the pr you would get frm a pr2 would last until they removed your link or if thier pr drops

[daedal]

Pagerank is not based on one site that links to you. Unless that site has a very high pagerank.

PR2 will not always give you any benefit, because a link only passes on so much Pagerank, if that site has lots of out going links you may get no major benefit.

[montapar]

Ok, so from what I am getting here is this:

1,000,000 links coming in from PR0 sites doesn't help a bit, but 25 links coming in from PR5 sites would be great???

[micho]

For pagerank you need to have some strong links, you will get page rank easy. For gaining rank in Google, you need to get links, but try to get them every month or so. Not in one day all and then nothing for 1 year.

[DiscoNinja]

Originally Posted by montapar

Ok, so from what I am getting here is this:

1,000,000 links coming in from PR0 sites doesn't help a bit, but 25 links coming in from PR5 sites would be great???

Again, it depends , if those 25 PR5 sites linking to you are linking to 500 other sites from the same page where your link is then they are not passing to you very powerful votes.
Secondly, if those 25 PR5 sites are about religion and your site is porn site, then again those links to you are not very powerful except your site is in nuns porn micro-niche

[redwhiteandblue]

All this talk about pagerank means nothing. Pagerank no longer bears any relation to how much search engine traffic you will get. Use pagerank only to determine the credibility of the sites you are trading links with, nothing else.

[dirtwars]

Originally Posted by DiscoNinja

Again, it depends , if those 25 PR5 sites linking to you are linking to 500 other sites from the same page where your link is then they are not passing to you very powerful votes.
Secondly, if those 25 PR5 sites are about religion and your site is porn site, then again those links to you are not very powerful except your site is in nuns porn micro-niche

Well said. Too many people struggle with their off page SEO because they don't understand how to determine the value of a link. . . and even once they do they often overvalue PR. PR helps but its very different than SERP.

[Adriaan]

Originally Posted by montapar

Ok, so from what I am getting here is this:

1,000,000 links coming in from PR0 sites doesn't help a bit, but 25 links coming in from PR5 sites would be great???

I really disagree with you that PR0 links won't help you.

Firstly beacuse the whole pagerank idea is plain BULLSHIT. Pagerank will not give you more traffic, especially not in adult...

Secondly because I absolutely LOVE getting one-way PR0 links from sites and pages via surfer forums, no reciprocal directories and other sources. Especially when it comes to deeplinks.

Thirdly because when I swap links with HIGH QUALITY sites with ZERO pagerank I keep in mind that they can have PR4 or higher within a year or quicker. However I don't care about pagerank I like to think a few steps ahead when it comes to linktrading.

Last but not least, I don't purely trade links for more SE-love but for traffic too. Linktrade traffic is EXTREMELY productive and in some cases it's even better than SE-traffic.

[Adriaan]

Originally Posted by dirtwars

Well said. Too many people struggle with their off page SEO because they don't understand how to determine the value of a link. . . and even once they do they often overvalue PR. PR helps but its very different than SERP.

I can't agree more with you dirtwars... well said boy

A site with just one or two incoming links can do just as good in the search results than a site with more than hundred links. Maybe even better lol