Inbound, Outbound links, your thoughts?

[kaktusan]

Ok people, i know generally should be some sort of balance between in and out links. Most people suffer from having too much out links than in links.

Now, i have sites that have 0 out links, because i put nofollow to the sponsors urls, but i plan to have lots in links to those sites.

someone has any opinion or experience how that may impact my SEO?

[diablom]

I can tell from my own experience: for example i have a site which stands in google No. 3 possition for long time. It has 40 in links and 30 out links. When I add ~10 more out links, my site gets lower and takes only ~No. 8-10 possition in google results.

So I use nofollow for sponsors and have only about ~10-20 outgoing links in my sites. Because every out going link lowers your site in results page

[diablom]

Ohh, I see you asked about balance, I do not now how it exactly affect seo, but the less out going links you have - the better your score is. That's for sure.

[diablom]

...and one more thing. I think we all want to hear silentwhisper's opinion, who says having a lot of outgoing links on her sites are good for her SE rankings.

Sorry for triple post

[PornBlogger]

i am interested in this balance and penalization as well..

you have two opposing groups, the nays and the yes's.. but is there anything specific from the SE's themselves?

[wholeporno]

Inbound and Outbound links, i don't think there is a specific number for Search engines to follow.

what i noticed is that, when my outbound links grow too much in number in a short period of time, my rankings are also affected. it seems SE's considers that as spamming and my rankings also fall.

i think this is a matter of balancing both inbound and outbound links.. don't do "too much" SEO if that's the term to use..

as they say, too much of anything is bad.

[atlant]

I only care about relevancy.

[kaktusan]

I see, thanks for your opionion guys!

Well, actually as thinking now i am not that much cared about balance between both, but what will be G's reaction on sites having 0 out links.

[Ardrigh]

These are my 2cents, hope it help somehow...

Originally Posted by kaktusan

Ok people, i know generally should be some sort of balance between in and out links. Most people suffer from having too much out links than in links.

Now, i have sites that have 0 out links, because i put nofollow to the sponsors urls, but i plan to have lots in links to those sites.

someone has any opinion or experience how that may impact my SEO?

Outbound links cause a "leak" in your page's link juice (or PR in google). So, the rule of thumb is to lessen the site's outbound links and increase inbound links. In this way, you'll have more link juice going in to your site and lesser going out to someone's sites which results to higher PR and eventually higher ranking. But of course, these are just some of the many factors in SEO.

About the balancing of the number of outbound and inbound links, i don't think google is very particular about that.

Originally Posted by diablom

I can tell from my own experience: for example i have a site which stands in google No. 3 possition for long time. It has 40 in links and 30 out links. When I add ~10 more out links, my site gets lower and takes only ~No. 8-10 possition in google results.

So I use nofollow for sponsors and have only about ~10-20 outgoing links in my sites. Because every out going link lowers your site in results page

Yeah, sponsor's links like galleries etc i think should be "nofollowed", it just lessen the PR of a page. Actually, "nofollowing" a link which you think robots doesn't need to crawl is a sound practice and even encouraged by google.

Originally Posted by diablom

Ohh, I see you asked about balance, I do not now how it exactly affect seo, but the less out going links you have - the better your score is. That's for sure.

Totally agree with this. I use to do a link building campaign before to a pay site. All the client wants me to do is to find sites who want to exchange links through ABC because he doesn't want to have his main pay site to have a bunch of shitty links pointing to someone's site. Back then we are targeting a very competitive keyword ("blowjob" - used in the anchor text), after a month or so, we hit at the SERPs in the number 1 spot, which i think due to the massive inbound links going to the pay site. But google's algos always change, and that was a year ago if i remembered it correctly. So much have changed since then.

That's my thoughts, hope that'll help in some way...

Good luck guys

btw, is this an ass-cheek emoticon? hehe

[BadWolf]

Well, now we've the heard the usual opinions.

When building links, remember three things. One is relevance, both inbound and outbound links. Two, use ABC linking whenever possible. Three, try to keep the outbound number of links down. Some say a hundred is too many. I try to keep under 50 on any one page.

This is based on my own experience, especially the results of the last Google dance. As always, take it with a grain of salt, lol.

[kaktusan]

@Ardrigh , thanks for the info man

@badwold, yes i do only ABC linktrades, i use only strictly niched trades, i use rotating anchors most times targetting the keywords i want and yeah my main sites have 0 out links and only receive in links because of the ABC. Thats why i mostly like to make trades myself rather than being lazy and waiting people to trade with me. Hope i am doing right and after some months will be looking at results

[Paul&John]

Hm i don't use nofollow on sponsors links because sometimes search engines list the paysites url with my reflink

[kaktusan]

Originally Posted by Paul&John

Hm i don't use nofollow on sponsors links because sometimes search engines list the paysites url with my reflink

yep they do it, but its really rarely you get a nice rank on that and make a sale, while your site's SEO is more important. Anyways i am testing that nofollow now and will see if G will like my sites, because they follow their advice to put nofollow..

[kaktusan]

Originally Posted by kathtam

The theory is that Google likes organic and that Google "likes" webmasters that actively network. But that's all its is, theory. Outgoing links affect PR and right now that's a non issue. All you have to worry about is linking to a site that might go bad and screw your serp's.

i am strong supporter of that 'networking webmasters' theory.

[Escort Me]

seomoz.org has a nice article on link flow (in/out).

I think in general the thoughts are outbound links should go to good sites, paid links should be nofollowed and each outbound link does lower the "link juice" each page has.

So ensure your inbound links are good quality and plentiful, however don't totally stop linking out to sites as this would look weird to google.

[surgui]

Originally Posted by Escort Me

don't totally stop linking out to sites as this would look weird to google.

Cant see it. There are plenty of sites which don't ever link out and it has zero impact on their serp's. The rule should be to accept links wherever you find them and to understand that you run the risk of a track back if the site you are linking to goes wrong. These days most webmasters will use throw way domains to link out to sites they don't know because it is a real problem.

[BadWolf]

Man, do I ever hate the expression 'link juice'.

[Escort Me]

Originally Posted by BadWolf

Man, do I ever hate the expression 'link juice'.

Well sadly it's a common term used, so I'm not sure what we can do for you.

Either way, I still wouldn't link out or at the very least link out with nofollow.

[silentwhispers]

Originally Posted by diablom

...and one more thing. I think we all want to hear silentwhisper's opinion, who says having a lot of outgoing links on her sites are good for her SE rankings.

Sorry for triple post

uhm I never said that, I said that people who have links on my blogs have said that their PR went higher. As for incoming, and outgoing links, incoming links will help you, and outgoing links will help others. Basically if you are planning to have incoming links with no outgoing links, you won't have as high of a PR than you would if you have outgoing links also. In my case, with me having all the outgoing links it hurt my PR but did not diminish it. Also I noticed that traffic is actually higher since I've added the links. So basically you have to ask yourself if you are in it for the traffic, or the PR rankings.

As for a balance of both incoming, and outgoing links, it is hard to define. The key is finding links that match your site's or blog's content. IF you are looking for traffic, and not PR then having inlinks , and no backlinks is fine. IF you are looking for PR, the best thing to do is to pick sites to trade with that already have a PR. If your site does not have any PR at first then what you can do is ABC link trading. Pick one of your blogs that DOES have PR, and offer a link on that blog, while the other person puts the site that has 0 PR on their already PR-ed site.

It's basically trial, and error. I have seen sites that I have no backlink to, and them have an inlink to one of my blogs, show up on Google before my original blog does. The trick is not to have too many of either the incoming, and outgoing links to one site, or blog.