Starting and growing your adult business (tutorial) - Page 2

Quagmire · 07-20-2006, 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _LB_

haha you beat me !!

Though my freesites are always 4 pages. Howd you sneak that extra page in there ?

5th page would be the 2257 blurb and referring to who to contact regarding it. Not allowed to have any banners or links to porn and crap on it, so really its a dead weight page. A lot of places seem to insist on it being there and a link to it on every page with anything even remotely related to porn on it (including banners with naked people).

so I will rephrase my response to 4 useful pages and 1 boat anchor.

zek · 07-20-2006, 07:44 PM

Thanks LB

, Its funny actually your writing style and thought processes are alot like my own. When I first read this thread it was like reading a summary of everthing I had thought about in the past two months and its great to know im on the right track.

Great Stuff !

07-20-2006, 07:52 PM

Thanks a lot guys, You rock

Mark

07-20-2006, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by _LB_

TGP stands for thumbnail gallery post. Webmasters make galleries of 12-20 images or 2-6 videos (called galleries), submit them to the thumbnail gallery posts and hopefully if they get listed they get traffic to their galleries and make sales

Check out a couple of popular tgps ... www.worldsex.com and www.thehun.net. Each of those sites listed is a gallery submitted by webmasters for listing.

I'm truly sorry to have hijacked your thread, but it can still go on in the same fashion, it just now has some better explanation of terms for real n00bs

So now that I know what TGP submit is, I wonder how I go about it. When you say Webmasters make galleries... does that mean that I have to create and host these galleries, or is it possible for me to take premade FHG (free hosted gallery) from the sponsor and use those? Such as <a href="http://fhg.bcash4you.com/fhg/data/marcela/003/?1146160">this one for example</a>. It has my affiliate code embedded in it but it was not created by me nor is hosted by me. Can i use such FHG for TGP submit?

As for freesites - the 4/5 page sites - the 2 page galleries that you create, do you download the pics and host them on your servers as well? Do you create a new freesite each day (and discard the old one you had at that spot before)? Or can you make one and submit it numerous times? Or how does it work exactly?

Thanks so much once again

Mark

haui · 07-20-2006, 08:25 PM

Great thread here thanks _LB_ for your effort!

TheShiftyEyedBastard · 07-20-2006, 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarkMarek

I'm truly sorry to have hijacked your thread, but it can still go on in the same fashion, it just now has some better explanation of terms for real n00bs

So now that I know what TGP submit is, I wonder how I go about it. When you say Webmasters make galleries... does that mean that I have to create and host these galleries, or is it possible for me to take premade FHG (free hosted gallery) from the sponsor and use those? Such as <a href="http://fhg.bcash4you.com/fhg/data/marcela/003/?1146160">this one for example</a>. It has my affiliate code embedded in it but it was not created by me nor is hosted by me. Can i use such FHG for TGP submit?

As for freesites - the 4/5 page sites - the 2 page galleries that you create, do you download the pics and host them on your servers as well? Do you create a new freesite each day (and discard the old one you had at that spot before)? Or can you make one and submit it numerous times? Or how does it work exactly?

Thanks so much once again

Mark

a handfull of sites accept fhg submissions, not enough to make it worth your while. You must create, and host, your own designs to make anywhere near a living at this.

thomasbyers · 07-20-2006, 11:46 PM

Its a great thread LB and if any webmaster is serious about his business he or she should slow down and read everything you wrote and take notes. Very good information indeed.

_LB_ · 07-21-2006, 12:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarkMarek

I'm truly sorry to have hijacked your thread, but it can still go on in the same fashion, it just now has some better explanation of terms for real n00bs

So now that I know what TGP submit is, I wonder how I go about it. When you say Webmasters make galleries... does that mean that I have to create and host these galleries, or is it possible for me to take premade FHG (free hosted gallery) from the sponsor and use those? Such as <a href="http://fhg.bcash4you.com/fhg/data/marcela/003/?1146160">this one for example</a>. It has my affiliate code embedded in it but it was not created by me nor is hosted by me. Can i use such FHG for TGP submit?

As for freesites - the 4/5 page sites - the 2 page galleries that you create, do you download the pics and host them on your servers as well? Do you create a new freesite each day (and discard the old one you had at that spot before)? Or can you make one and submit it numerous times? Or how does it work exactly?

Thanks so much once again

Mark

FHG's (freehosted galleries) were actually created for the TGPs to list, not the regular webmasters to use. Basically cutting out the middleman - the submitter.

Some sponsors allow you to use their freehosted galleries, some don't. The main problem is with the content licence, as many of the licences don't cover use by the affiliate, so as soon as the gallery is moved off the sponsor's hosting the licence for the content has been broken.

Another problem is many large tgps won't list your gallery if you use sponsor hosted galleries and they notice. Its against their rules.

Better than me explaining freesites, I will refer you to a thread that simply does an amazing job of explaining it all and showing examples and step by steps...

Freesite tutorial :
http://www.netpond.com/showthread.php?t=22724

travs · 07-21-2006, 04:59 AM

LB rocks

martinsc · 07-21-2006, 07:11 AM

great tutorial for new webmasters.

Adult Place · 07-21-2006, 07:30 AM

Good thread LB, thanks!

_LB_ · 07-22-2006, 06:31 AM

Section 3 – Lets get into some more depth!

Ok so far many basics are laid out. Let nothing fool you … this business is all about numbers and if you know your numbers your choice of direction will be obvious. The hard part is getting a large enough pool of numbers and stats to work with, because without it you are effectively flying blind.

I will link to a ‘small’ thread I wrote in the newbie forum on stats. This should explain how different sponsors count clicks : http://www.netpond.com/showthread.php?t=89562

Also an extract from a recent thread explaining how I rotate sponsors based on their earnings per unique visitor (not sponsor ratio which I find to be very misleading).

Rotating Sponsors & Stats to look for
============================

Sounds easy, but its a matter of maths and stats.

Personally I judge my sites and sponsor stats by $/unique impression. That means how many $ I made per unique visitor to my site x pages they visited. Its a no brainer to work the maths out for galleries etc, but for larger sites it can require a calculator.

I am looking for 0.2 - 0.3 cents per impression or one signup per 10,000 impressions. This can be heavily niche/site type dependant and on more niche like portal sites i am probably looking for over 1c per impression, and on some high volume low quality traffic types I might be giddy with 1 signup per 50k uniques and .05c per impression. So generally its only a guide, and you need to work out what is average and to be expected for you.

Work out the $ per impression for your site, break that down page by page, and then work out each sponsor's cost per impression for each page. In cases where you have more than one advert for the one sponsor on that page take into account the quality of that advert(position, size etc). I use a simplistic system, but I tend to divide all results by 2 in cases where I have one main sponsor on the page and several secondary ones. In some cases I will even divide ratios it by 3-4 which means that I expect that advertiser to do 3-4 times better when considering $/impression because of the larger banners and better advertising effort put into that sponsor.

Work out a system that works best for you, but when considering $/impression its silly to think that a 120x60 banner at the bottom of the page will pull the same clicks and $ as a 600x100 banner at the top of the page. You have to take into account the quality of adverts, and with experience this can be done just looking at the page and viewing the numbers in context. Sometimes a little system works best. This is the subject of another huge tutorial maybe someone else will do ... who knows.

So we have decided that sponsor A has to be rotated out because they are making .0000000003 cents per unique, and sponsor C & D are over .5c per unique. Easy

Why do we measure $/unique impression ???? Easy ... most sponsors dont count a lot of clicks, some only count 2nd page clicks, some join page clicks, some count 80% of clicks, .... hell i swear some only report clicks made on even hours, full moon nights, where the humidity is 30-40%, and the click comes from a url with the letters 'A', 'Z, and 'P' in it. who knows??!

... so the only two things you can rely on are your own server stats and how much money you made. Those are two reliable figures and not subject to others interpretation of a 'valid click'.

Things to look out for when rotating sponsors out using the $/impression value model..

1. A sponsor may have a low $/impression stat, but may be a secondary sponsor with a very low CTR (Click through rate). I consider a reasonable ctr to be around 2% for an average advert in an average location. Now if you have an advert with a low CTR .. lets say .5% CTR, yet your ratio for that sponsor is quite good ... lets say 1:500 on first page clicks and your $/click ratio is high, then you might want to see if you can improve the advert or give the sponsor a higher profile on the page.

2. If a sponsor has an average or high $/impression stat, but has a huge ctr of something like >8% ... though the ratio of clicks to signups is quite bad (say 1:3000+), and the $/click to sponsor ratio isn't that awesome ... say .5c/click, then it might be worth giving a high profile to another sponsor to see if you can preserve the ctr and increase the ratio or $ earnt per click.

3. Be careful you don't over-advertise a sponsor. Sometimes you can get better results from spreading the advertising around more evenly. Please be careful if using sponsor content or free sponsor hosting. Check first

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Now,

Your plan should consist of some immediate work and some development work. Immediate work is your day to day tasks that bring in fairly reliable income, and development work is the stuff you do after your day to day tasks, sort of like long/medium term projects for future profitability.

Right … now that we have some maths gunk out the way lets lay down a few plans that assume you know the basics of the industry and have a basic skill set.

Fast traffic – Fast money Plan

A. 3 TGP Galleries a day - Do 3 galleries a day over different niches, and make sure you have as many free PA’s as you can get. Some of the premium paid PA’s (partner accounts) will speed you up as well.

B. 1 Freesite a day – Create 1 freesite every day rotating between 3 different niches.

C. Link dump submits – drop at least 1 site onto the link dumps daily

D. 1 Fake tgp. Set up a text fake tgp loaded with sponsor hosted galleries. Trade hard links with as many sites as you can and dump your .404 traffic onto this tgp. Load it with free email joins, free sponsor trial sites, cpc sponsors (if you can find any), and free to join dating sites and webcam sites. Best if you can get a script which rotates 2000+ galleries over time.

E. Work on a medium/short term site that will bring in traffic quickly and easily. Though with these kinds of sites typically you have to keep pushing them, and as soon as you stop pushing them they can fall off. The type of site is up to you!

Moderate traffic – Mix of long term and short term

A. 2 Gallery submits daily. Only take on the best PA’s.

B. 1 Freesite a day (as in the previous plan)

C. Create and build a blog every week. Heaps of info in the netpond blog forum : http://www.netpond.com/forumdisplay....aysprune=&f=69. Half your time will be spent getting posts queued up and getting link trades. A week is enough time to get a blog set up and functioning well. Stop building blogs when the time allotted to building them is being taken up maintaining them.

D. Create a portal every 2 weeks. A total of 3-4 good portal sites is enough to keep you busy while still bringing in some good sales. By portal I mean a multipage site with some content but mostly as a gateway to your sponsors. Do a netpond search on the newbie board for portal project. We have run 2 of them so far.

Long term – the “I want to be rich one day, but am happy to live on crackers and water for 6 months” plan

A. 1 Tgp gallery per day, mostly to feed your projects. You will use a mix of sponsors and your own sites on the galleries.

B. 1 Freesite every day. Focus on 2-3 themes/niches and link them all not only to your sponsor but to a central hub. The hub should be SE optimized and heavily link traded.

C. AT LEAST 1 site designed for the SE’s every week. This site should be multiple pages, have heaps of advertising, look at first glance like a great content rich site but really the main purpose is to get traffic to your sponsors asap. You should be able to manage at least 20 of these sites before you start getting short of time and need to stop building and start maintaining

D. One portal per week. 5-6 portals should be enough. See previous section.

E. *important* - Spend 1-2 hours per day link trading. Try to grow the links on your portal sites & SE sites. Its not important that the sites have huge traffic, but try to make sure you are exchanging hard links (no scripted trade links) with sites that have some traffic. Attempt to grow your existing sites by at least 2-3 link trades per week.

F. Spend 2 hours on one day of the week checking your sites, looking at stats and trends, and weeding out trades that are sending nothing or just milking your site for PR/Traffic.

Now of those 3 plans only the last one is really sustainable for growth. Now following an average pool of data a year old, I would estimate if you followed these plans you should be making at least

Plan A : $1200 a month
Plan B : $900 a month
Plan C : $600 a month

These are very conservative. In reality I expect more, but there are just too many factors to take into account to be anything but cautious with estimates. The short term plan will level out the quickest, I estimate 2-3k a month unless you find ways to push past the general submitter. The 2nd plan will take a little longer to level out, but again will level out after probably a couple of years at 3-5k per month. The last plan will take much longer to level out, but unfortunately it will level out because you only have so much time to devote to building and growing. Though there are no reasons why you cant push past the 8-10k a month barrier after 2-4 years.

The thing is that they all slow down eventually. This is where most of the 2-3 year guys find it hard to push to the next level because you can’t stick to those plans much longer if you want growth. You have to change things, and use that pool of money you saved over the year(s) to push your business into the next income bracket.

Many people go onto taking on employees, starting their affiliate programs, buying wads and wads of traffic, selling webmaster services through employees, the list goes on. Next section of this thread I will start to get into pushing your business beyond the 10k/month barrier.

tomy · 07-22-2006, 07:21 AM

next great post in this great thread

thanks LB

wanderer · 07-22-2006, 12:59 PM

Whoa.

Section Three just kicked my ass. This is seriously good stuff here, people.

Quote:

Long term – the “I want to be rich one day, but am happy to live on crackers and water for 6 months” plan

Also, the "I already HAVE a day job" plan.

_LB_ · 07-22-2006, 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wanderer

Whoa.

Section Three just kicked my ass. This is seriously good stuff here, people.

Also, the "I already HAVE a day job" plan.

I should probably do one of them too... good point

I actually started with a full time job, then working on this 5-6 hours a night after it.. did that for about a year.

Nothing like the feeling of giving the day job the flick and being your own boss!!

digits · 07-22-2006, 02:28 PM

Well I have developed what I feel is a good short term plan, using automation to keep it going. So that I can work on a long range goal orineted plan, and this thread is a really nice read, I am going to take alot of this advice published here and work on it for the next year.

I am going to start fresh though, and take every piece of advice here from the pros, (LB is the man) I am going to start with new domain names, new hosting, and see where I can build this to in the future.

I am downsizing my expenses between now and aug 1st so that I can start with a clean slate and be able to maintain this for 1 year without interuptions.

I think that I have enough knowledge from everything I read here to take on such a project. I think I may try to find a group of people that want to work together and build a future generation of webmasters to take over when the old pros retire.

I had alot of things happen in the last 48 hours that have awaken me to the need for a fresh start, alot of legal issues came up over the past 48 hours that had nothing to do with me but with the owner of the office building I have a lease in.

So I feel that this thread may be the start in teh right direction for me, I will not be around much til aug 1st as I am downsizing to a second bedroom in a small apartment I rented.

But on Aug 1st I will hit the work ethics hard, I am determined in my mind to build something over the next few years that will support me without having to touch savings, work for someone else, or worry about the lights being turned off.

LB with your permission I would like to add you to my contact list for when I need help with the long term project. I have you on ICQ but I have never really approched you to learn from.

I think I will do alot more hanging around the new webmaster forums and see if I can pick up a few people to be in the soup and cracker network.

Thanks for a great read digits

Atlas · 07-22-2006, 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _LB_

Fast traffic – Fast money Plan

A. 3 TGP Galleries a day - Do 3 galleries a day over different niches, and make sure you have as many free PA’s as you can get. Some of the premium paid PA’s (partner accounts) will speed you up as well.

B. 1 Freesite a day – Create 1 freesite every day rotating between 3 different niches.

C. Link dump submits – drop at least 1 site onto the link dumps daily

D. 1 Fake tgp. Set up a text fake tgp loaded with sponsor hosted galleries. Trade hard links with as many sites as you can and dump your .404 traffic onto this tgp. Load it with free email joins, free sponsor trial sites, cpc sponsors (if you can find any), and free to join dating sites and webcam sites. Best if you can get a script which rotates 2000+ galleries over time.

E. Work on a medium/short term site that will bring in traffic quickly and easily. Though with these kinds of sites typically you have to keep pushing them, and as soon as you stop pushing them they can fall off. The type of site is up to you!

>Snip<

Plan A : $1200 a month

LB, Awesome thread, I love all of your business threads.

But why is this the least systainable plan if youre doing triple the galleries and covering 3 niches?
Wouldnt that sustain you the longest and get you there the fastest?

Or wouldnt you just incorporate all of Plan A with some peices of Plan C so you get the best of everything?

halo18 · 07-22-2006, 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _LB_

I should probably do one of them too... good point

I actually started with a full time job, then working on this 5-6 hours a night after it.. did that for about a year.

Nothing like the feeling of giving the day job the flick and being your own boss!!

I would love to read that. Thanks for the great thread.

fresh · 07-22-2006, 09:43 PM

awesome thread, thnx for posting

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_LB_ Pornography Engineer Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 9,922 Points: 27	Section 3 – Lets get into some more depth! Ok so far many basics are laid out. Let nothing fool you … this business is all about numbers and if you know your numbers your choice of direction will be obvious. The hard part is getting a large enough pool of numbers and stats to work with, because without it you are effectively flying blind. I will link to a ‘small’ thread I wrote in the newbie forum on stats. This should explain how different sponsors count clicks : http://www.netpond.com/showthread.php?t=89562 Also an extract from a recent thread explaining how I rotate sponsors based on their earnings per unique visitor (not sponsor ratio which I find to be very misleading). Rotating Sponsors & Stats to look for ============================ Sounds easy, but its a matter of maths and stats. Personally I judge my sites and sponsor stats by $/unique impression. That means how many $ I made per unique visitor to my site x pages they visited. Its a no brainer to work the maths out for galleries etc, but for larger sites it can require a calculator. I am looking for 0.2 - 0.3 cents per impression or one signup per 10,000 impressions. This can be heavily niche/site type dependant and on more niche like portal sites i am probably looking for over 1c per impression, and on some high volume low quality traffic types I might be giddy with 1 signup per 50k uniques and .05c per impression. So generally its only a guide, and you need to work out what is average and to be expected for you. Work out the $ per impression for your site, break that down page by page, and then work out each sponsor's cost per impression for each page. In cases where you have more than one advert for the one sponsor on that page take into account the quality of that advert(position, size etc). I use a simplistic system, but I tend to divide all results by 2 in cases where I have one main sponsor on the page and several secondary ones. In some cases I will even divide ratios it by 3-4 which means that I expect that advertiser to do 3-4 times better when considering $/impression because of the larger banners and better advertising effort put into that sponsor. Work out a system that works best for you, but when considering $/impression its silly to think that a 120x60 banner at the bottom of the page will pull the same clicks and $ as a 600x100 banner at the top of the page. You have to take into account the quality of adverts, and with experience this can be done just looking at the page and viewing the numbers in context. Sometimes a little system works best. This is the subject of another huge tutorial maybe someone else will do ... who knows. So we have decided that sponsor A has to be rotated out because they are making .0000000003 cents per unique, and sponsor C & D are over .5c per unique. Easy Why do we measure $/unique impression ???? Easy ... most sponsors dont count a lot of clicks, some only count 2nd page clicks, some join page clicks, some count 80% of clicks, .... hell i swear some only report clicks made on even hours, full moon nights, where the humidity is 30-40%, and the click comes from a url with the letters 'A', 'Z, and 'P' in it. who knows??! ... so the only two things you can rely on are your own server stats and how much money you made. Those are two reliable figures and not subject to others interpretation of a 'valid click'. Things to look out for when rotating sponsors out using the $/impression value model.. 1. A sponsor may have a low $/impression stat, but may be a secondary sponsor with a very low CTR (Click through rate). I consider a reasonable ctr to be around 2% for an average advert in an average location. Now if you have an advert with a low CTR .. lets say .5% CTR, yet your ratio for that sponsor is quite good ... lets say 1:500 on first page clicks and your $/click ratio is high, then you might want to see if you can improve the advert or give the sponsor a higher profile on the page. 2. If a sponsor has an average or high $/impression stat, but has a huge ctr of something like >8% ... though the ratio of clicks to signups is quite bad (say 1:3000+), and the $/click to sponsor ratio isn't that awesome ... say .5c/click, then it might be worth giving a high profile to another sponsor to see if you can preserve the ctr and increase the ratio or $ earnt per click. 3. Be careful you don't over-advertise a sponsor. Sometimes you can get better results from spreading the advertising around more evenly. Please be careful if using sponsor content or free sponsor hosting. Check first ------------------------------ Now, Your plan should consist of some immediate work and some development work. Immediate work is your day to day tasks that bring in fairly reliable income, and development work is the stuff you do after your day to day tasks, sort of like long/medium term projects for future profitability. Right … now that we have some maths gunk out the way lets lay down a few plans that assume you know the basics of the industry and have a basic skill set. Fast traffic – Fast money Plan A. 3 TGP Galleries a day - Do 3 galleries a day over different niches, and make sure you have as many free PA’s as you can get. Some of the premium paid PA’s (partner accounts) will speed you up as well. B. 1 Freesite a day – Create 1 freesite every day rotating between 3 different niches. C. Link dump submits – drop at least 1 site onto the link dumps daily D. 1 Fake tgp. Set up a text fake tgp loaded with sponsor hosted galleries. Trade hard links with as many sites as you can and dump your .404 traffic onto this tgp. Load it with free email joins, free sponsor trial sites, cpc sponsors (if you can find any), and free to join dating sites and webcam sites. Best if you can get a script which rotates 2000+ galleries over time. E. Work on a medium/short term site that will bring in traffic quickly and easily. Though with these kinds of sites typically you have to keep pushing them, and as soon as you stop pushing them they can fall off. The type of site is up to you! Moderate traffic – Mix of long term and short term A. 2 Gallery submits daily. Only take on the best PA’s. B. 1 Freesite a day (as in the previous plan) C. Create and build a blog every week. Heaps of info in the netpond blog forum : http://www.netpond.com/forumdisplay....aysprune=&f=69. Half your time will be spent getting posts queued up and getting link trades. A week is enough time to get a blog set up and functioning well. Stop building blogs when the time allotted to building them is being taken up maintaining them. D. Create a portal every 2 weeks. A total of 3-4 good portal sites is enough to keep you busy while still bringing in some good sales. By portal I mean a multipage site with some content but mostly as a gateway to your sponsors. Do a netpond search on the newbie board for portal project. We have run 2 of them so far. Long term – the “I want to be rich one day, but am happy to live on crackers and water for 6 months” plan A. 1 Tgp gallery per day, mostly to feed your projects. You will use a mix of sponsors and your own sites on the galleries. B. 1 Freesite every day. Focus on 2-3 themes/niches and link them all not only to your sponsor but to a central hub. The hub should be SE optimized and heavily link traded. C. AT LEAST 1 site designed for the SE’s every week. This site should be multiple pages, have heaps of advertising, look at first glance like a great content rich site but really the main purpose is to get traffic to your sponsors asap. You should be able to manage at least 20 of these sites before you start getting short of time and need to stop building and start maintaining D. One portal per week. 5-6 portals should be enough. See previous section. E. important - Spend 1-2 hours per day link trading. Try to grow the links on your portal sites & SE sites. Its not important that the sites have huge traffic, but try to make sure you are exchanging hard links (no scripted trade links) with sites that have some traffic. Attempt to grow your existing sites by at least 2-3 link trades per week. F. Spend 2 hours on one day of the week checking your sites, looking at stats and trends, and weeding out trades that are sending nothing or just milking your site for PR/Traffic. Now of those 3 plans only the last one is really sustainable for growth. Now following an average pool of data a year old, I would estimate if you followed these plans you should be making at least Plan A : $1200 a month Plan B : $900 a month Plan C : $600 a month These are very conservative. In reality I expect more, but there are just too many factors to take into account to be anything but cautious with estimates. The short term plan will level out the quickest, I estimate 2-3k a month unless you find ways to push past the general submitter. The 2nd plan will take a little longer to level out, but again will level out after probably a couple of years at 3-5k per month. The last plan will take much longer to level out, but unfortunately it will level out because you only have so much time to devote to building and growing. Though there are no reasons why you cant push past the 8-10k a month barrier after 2-4 years. The thing is that they all slow down eventually. This is where most of the 2-3 year guys find it hard to push to the next level because you can’t stick to those plans much longer if you want growth. You have to change things, and use that pool of money you saved over the year(s) to push your business into the next income bracket. Many people go onto taking on employees, starting their affiliate programs, buying wads and wads of traffic, selling webmaster services through employees, the list goes on. Next section of this thread I will start to get into pushing your business beyond the 10k/month barrier. __________________ New Unsaturated Niche Sites! Make The Most Of Your Traffic!

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thomasbyers If You Build It They Will Come Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Key West Posts: 5,057 Points: 55	Its a great thread LB and if any webmaster is serious about his business he or she should slow down and read everything you wrote and take notes. Very good information indeed.

07-22-2006, 07:21 AM	#33 (permalink)
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07-22-2006, 02:28 PM	#36 (permalink)
digits Day 10 and still going strong Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Massapequa Just 20 minutes from NYC Posts: 1,484 Points: 65	I can live on crackers and soup for 6 months Well I have developed what I feel is a good short term plan, using automation to keep it going. So that I can work on a long range goal orineted plan, and this thread is a really nice read, I am going to take alot of this advice published here and work on it for the next year. I am going to start fresh though, and take every piece of advice here from the pros, (LB is the man) I am going to start with new domain names, new hosting, and see where I can build this to in the future. I am downsizing my expenses between now and aug 1st so that I can start with a clean slate and be able to maintain this for 1 year without interuptions. I think that I have enough knowledge from everything I read here to take on such a project. I think I may try to find a group of people that want to work together and build a future generation of webmasters to take over when the old pros retire. I had alot of things happen in the last 48 hours that have awaken me to the need for a fresh start, alot of legal issues came up over the past 48 hours that had nothing to do with me but with the owner of the office building I have a lease in. So I feel that this thread may be the start in teh right direction for me, I will not be around much til aug 1st as I am downsizing to a second bedroom in a small apartment I rented. But on Aug 1st I will hit the work ethics hard, I am determined in my mind to build something over the next few years that will support me without having to touch savings, work for someone else, or worry about the lights being turned off. LB with your permission I would like to add you to my contact list for when I need help with the long term project. I have you on ICQ but I have never really approched you to learn from. I think I will do alot more hanging around the new webmaster forums and see if I can pick up a few people to be in the soup and cracker network. Thanks for a great read digits

07-22-2006, 09:43 PM	#39 (permalink)
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