Starting and growing your adult business (tutorial) - Page 3

LerWick · 07-23-2006, 06:04 AM

Thanks LB for this awesome thread, nice reading
The most important for me is to make a work strategy, to make time for a work, and make time for the life, family, sports, friends....
thanks

Atlas · 07-23-2006, 09:42 AM

_LB_, does it matter at all which niche you pick?
Im really stuck on this.
If you were starting over again and doing this great plan, would you go niche, or microniche?
For example would you sell ebony, or teen ebony?
Would you sell mature or hairy mature?

I think I have a mental block on this because I've tried a lot of things in the past that have failed and Im afraid of putting a good hard effort into something and having it fail again.

I often ask myself "What would a successful person do", so Im asking.. : )

Sorry to ask all of these questions but Im getting myself set up to start this tomorrow.

_LB_ · 07-24-2006, 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atlas

_LB_, does it matter at all which niche you pick?
Im really stuck on this.
If you were starting over again and doing this great plan, would you go niche, or microniche?
For example would you sell ebony, or teen ebony?
Would you sell mature or hairy mature?

I think I have a mental block on this because I've tried a lot of things in the past that have failed and Im afraid of putting a good hard effort into something and having it fail again.

I often ask myself "What would a successful person do", so Im asking.. : )

Sorry to ask all of these questions but Im getting myself set up to start this tomorrow.

Sorry .. I missed your QTN.

It doesn't really matter what niche you do as long as you can earn money from it. Thats why you need to spend a few weeks/months sorting out what works for you and what doesn't.

Eg, I can't sell a blog to save myself. I have tried 4 now and just cant get traffic or anything, yet people are making great money on blogs. Its just not for me, and I do so much better on portals, SE traffic and other forms. In the same way ..... just because I do well on SE traffic and portals doesn't mean someone else will.

It takes a little time to work out which niche does well for you, and which sponsors do well... just like you need to work out which method does well. Takes time

_LB_ · 07-24-2006, 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by digits

Well I have developed what I feel is a good short term plan, using automation to keep it going. So that I can work on a long range goal orineted plan, and this thread is a really nice read, I am going to take alot of this advice published here and work on it for the next year.

I am going to start fresh though, and take every piece of advice here from the pros, (LB is the man) I am going to start with new domain names, new hosting, and see where I can build this to in the future.

I am downsizing my expenses between now and aug 1st so that I can start with a clean slate and be able to maintain this for 1 year without interuptions.

I think that I have enough knowledge from everything I read here to take on such a project. I think I may try to find a group of people that want to work together and build a future generation of webmasters to take over when the old pros retire.

I had alot of things happen in the last 48 hours that have awaken me to the need for a fresh start, alot of legal issues came up over the past 48 hours that had nothing to do with me but with the owner of the office building I have a lease in.

So I feel that this thread may be the start in teh right direction for me, I will not be around much til aug 1st as I am downsizing to a second bedroom in a small apartment I rented.

But on Aug 1st I will hit the work ethics hard, I am determined in my mind to build something over the next few years that will support me without having to touch savings, work for someone else, or worry about the lights being turned off.

LB with your permission I would like to add you to my contact list for when I need help with the long term project. I have you on ICQ but I have never really approched you to learn from.

I think I will do alot more hanging around the new webmaster forums and see if I can pick up a few people to be in the soup and cracker network.

Thanks for a great read digits

Whoops sorry i didn't respond to you digits.

Feel free to hit me up on icq 15567120.

MJVegas · 07-24-2006, 08:06 PM

Thank you and did I mention Thank you!!

Head Boy · 07-24-2006, 08:30 PM

If you don't know which niche(s) to promote, then you could try my approach.

Write down the things that you know you don't want to promote or that will make you feel uncomfortable.

The hardest part of niche promotion these days is finding a good domain. Read the tips in the domain forum on hunting through the drop lists, and evaluating a phrase. Try to stick to 2 words on a .com unless it's something special. If you have any questions, then start a thread there, and ask your question.

When you've found a nice two word domain like Throat Fucks then run it through wordtracker and overture to see what the surfers are looking for -

throat fuck 1,629.0 /day
fuck her throat 461.0 /day
deep throat fuck 116.0 /day
fuck my throat 93.0 /day
fuck throat 58.0 /day
throat fuck next door 54.0 /day
rough throat fuck 48.0 /day
extreme throat fuck 30.0 /day
fuck her throat rough 20.0 /day
teen throat fuck 20.0 /day
throat fucks 19.0 /day
hard throat fuck 16.0 /day
forced throat fuck 14.0 /day
throat fuck puke 14.0 /day
brutal throat fuck 12.0 /day

Note the masive difference between the singular and the plural, and remember that for your meta tags and SEO. Use the search phrases to select the sites you want to promote, and use google to research the niche.

Get yourself a $5 multi-domain account with someone like Cyberwurx or Lela Hosting, and build a site using mainly FHGs with a few picture posts with text. Intersperse a few text pages, and don't forget the 404 page.

Add the link to your sig, and submit it to as many reasonable sites as you can.

Watch the stats, and see which pages get the most action and click throughs, and optimise by adding more pages - don't alter pages you have submitted.

Look for another domain in a different niche, sub-niche or crossover-niche, and repeat the excercise.

Dagwolf · 07-25-2006, 12:46 AM

Always with the good advice. I don't know how you find the time for these lengthy articles.

_LB_ · 07-25-2006, 01:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dagwolf

Always with the good advice. I don't know how you find the time for these lengthy articles.

Haha .. either do I. Though I find that sometimes when writing them it helps me identify areas in my own business where I have fallen off the rails.

Eg a recent thread of mine where I outlined .404 pages and all sorts of other things ... I then realised I didn't have .404 pages for a number of my newly moved sites. Good to take stock once in a while.

gotekix · 07-25-2006, 05:49 AM

Great advice LB. Should've made this post back when I was just getting started.

sparkman · 07-25-2006, 08:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _LB_

In the same way ..... just because I do well on SE traffic and portals doesn't mean someone else will.

What is a portal?

TheShiftyEyedBastard · 07-25-2006, 07:14 PM

[quote=sparkman]
"D. Create a portal every 2 weeks. A total of 3-4 good portal sites is enough to keep you busy while still bringing in some good sales. By portal I mean a multipage site with some content but mostly as a gateway to your sponsors. Do a netpond search on the newbie board for portal project. We have run 2 of them so far."

Read the full thread before asking questions. Usually many are answered.

fresh · 07-25-2006, 07:32 PM

do search for portal, lb had a thread portal project too

Dagwolf · 07-25-2006, 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sparkman

What is a portal?

Just a page with links to a few of your sites.

_LB_ · 07-27-2006, 07:53 PM

Some stats

Had a very very long conversation with someone who wasn't entirely convinced with the long term plan I laid out. I am sure there are others who just don't believe that a slow starting long term plan could make more eventually than a fast traffic plan. Well since I did something similar, let me show you some of my traffic and income growth...

While I started with tgp in 2000-2001, it was 2003 that I heavily got into building sites for the SE's, Portal sites and all other forms of sites designed for long term traffic and traffic growth. It has been a real eye opener hence the idea for this thread earlier this month.

I have chosen 4 sponsors and did some screenshots of stats. I chose these sponsors basically because either they were sponsors I used only for portals and such sites, or they allowed me to do reports based on tags or campaign.

This represents 2004 and 2005. I started heavily building in 2003, and so assume that there has been at least 6 months of growth for the 2004 stats, and 1.5 years for the 2005 reports.

2004 Stats :

This sponsor would only allow 3 monthly reports so did one for each month period. Periods go from left to right ... top to bottom.

(used a statsremote shot because I want no clue as to what the sponsor is sorry). But I use it 90% for portals, and there is a little bit of cpc in there, so its not all portal/se site stuff.

2005 Stats :

Now you will notice that after around 1.5-2 years of building constantly ... returns have really taken off. It was almost overnight that the stats started going bananas ... and the many thousands of link trades etc started giving me some incredible listings in the SE's. This is when I dumped TGP and Link lists and other forms of wheelbarrow traffic generation techniques.

Traffic has stabalised this year (2006) and in some cases is down a tad because I stopped building and reinforcing. My business is shifting though so this isn't necessarily a bad thing.

Though surely these stats tell a story about a long term strategy's benefit.

So maybe a long term approach isn't such a bad thing. I sure as hell would rather make these types of sales than still be earning $3-5k a month pushing wheelbarrow activities all day.

I hope one day to retire from having to work long days and have that income still flowing in, and while I am far from it, my strategy laid out from 2003 has gone to plan .... so I see no reason why this work will be something I have to do daily

That long term plan starting to look a little more tasty ?

Head Boy · 07-27-2006, 08:04 PM

Long term growth will always generate more income than the fast buck, unless you spend all your time looking for the next fast buck of course. Even then there will come a time when the long term growth will overtake you. Long term growth will also build a capital asset, which is something webmasters seem to ignore with their constant focus on income.

If I were to sell all my domains now, I would get a multiple of my total income since 2002.

Mihx · 07-27-2006, 08:44 PM

Very inspiring posts - again

. Not to mention some hugely impressive numbers

.

One of the things I'm wondering (but admittedly I've only skimmed through this thread and it's been a while since I read any of your older ones, so I might have missed something) is how you manage to build up so much traffic with things like portals and SE sites?

Getting a hundred thousand (mostly unproductive) hits to galleries isn't all that hard (never spent much time with galleries and freesites myself though), but SE traffic and link trade traffic to portal sites etc.?

Whether it's blogs, portals or small SE sites (most of my experience is with the first one) I tend to very quickly hit a traffic ceiling, and even months later SE traffic hasn't improved much (sometimes it has actually dropped

).
I imagine the key here is a vast number of sites, but I'm having a hard time seeing how you can manage to get at the very last a handful or two of link trades for eventually hundreds or thousands of small SE sites?

I can't really imagine anyone would be too happy once I've sent them the 200th trade request for small five-page SE sites

, and I imagine that the search engines would quickly start penalizing me if I interlinked my own sites heavily - even on a dozen hosts or more.

I've so far mostly relied on blogs and now my review site for my income, but I've been wanting for a while to start building a load of those small keyword targeted SE sites (if not converting on their own then at least feed the some of the traffic to my main sites), but if they are just gonna sit there with 10-20 uniques a day because it's next to impossible to get link trades for most of them, I imagine it would afterall still be easier to stick to blogs where getting link trades is usually easy - even if traffic usually stagnates pretty quickly for me.

Atlas · 07-27-2006, 09:03 PM

LB, thank you for this.

Just so I understand these stats youve posted...these are
1. from promoting porn sites, not mainstream sites, right? Im asking because you talk about about how you do mainstream.
2. from PPS or rev share? or both?
3. from promoting other peoples paysites or your own? or a mixture of both?

btw did you ever do movies, or entirely picture galleries?

_LB_ · 07-27-2006, 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mihx

Very inspiring posts - again

. Not to mention some hugely impressive numbers

.

One of the things I'm wondering (but admittedly I've only skimmed through this thread and it's been a while since I read any of your older ones, so I might have missed something) is how you manage to build up so much traffic with things like portals and SE sites?

Getting a hundred thousand (mostly unproductive) hits to galleries isn't all that hard (never spent much time with galleries and freesites myself though), but SE traffic and link trade traffic to portal sites etc.?

Whether it's blogs, portals or small SE sites (most of my experience is with the first one) I tend to very quickly hit a traffic ceiling, and even months later SE traffic hasn't improved much (sometimes it has actually dropped

).
I imagine the key here is a vast number of sites, but I'm having a hard time seeing how you can manage to get at the very last a handful or two of link trades for eventually hundreds or thousands of small SE sites?

I can't really imagine anyone would be too happy once I've sent them the 200th trade request for small five-page SE sites

, and I imagine that the search engines would quickly start penalizing me if I interlinked my own sites heavily - even on a dozen hosts or more.

I've so far mostly relied on blogs and now my review site for my income, but I've been wanting for a while to start building a load of those small keyword targeted SE sites (if not converting on their own then at least feed the some of the traffic to my main sites), but if they are just gonna sit there with 10-20 uniques a day because it's next to impossible to get link trades for most of them, I imagine it would afterall still be easier to stick to blogs where getting link trades is usually easy - even if traffic usually stagnates pretty quickly for me.

I see exactly what you are saying and to an extent you are right. I have experienced income from sites leveling out, though it seems you have experienced this leveling a lot earlier than i have.

I think you hit the nail on the head when you talk about a network of sites. Also yes this was only adult. I am fairly new to mainstream and dont make much from it yet.

Early on I realised that having 50 sites on 1 host and 1 ip address was going to be a stupid idea, so I have used a few hosts and multiple ip addresses, not only that though I have made it my business to get as much variety in incoming links as possible.. and from as many different areas of the net as possible. There are virtually millions of sites out there looking for trafes and in each niche even the small ones thousands and thousands of sites at your finger tips.

I worked on a core of sites that I only traded with a few very well trusted partners and my own sites. As you get further from the core I would trade with more and more and more people, to the point where my new sites I will trade with absolutely anyone and anything adult related. As those sites mature I become more picky, until it gets to the point where I will only trade with specially chosen people.

This industry is fast becoming one where your success is hand in hand with developing relationships with other like minded webmasters. you work closely with them and tend to form small groups who will help eachother out get projects kickstarted and you know their sites backwards. I have picked one such partner up here on netpond, and have a couple of others I deal with constantly. so a lot can be put into networking, but not in the common way of posting on boards and talking shit ... this is really hard down to business networking.

All in all I have found that the larger your network, the more sites of yours you have feeding other sites of yours, to the point where you can create a surfer trend by keeping them inside of your network until the convert to a sale. Its about numbers .. and the more numbers you have to look at the more you can see trends and the more obvious the direction you should take is.

But it all starts with just building sites and growing them. I could do a whole other thread on the subject and still only cover half of it, but with so many new biz threads being done up in the past couple days I might wait till early next month so it doesn't get lost in the crowd

Or you are more than welcome to chat with me about your strategy on icq 15567120.

L.

_LB_ · 07-27-2006, 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atlas

LB, thank you for this.

Just so I understand these stats youve posted...these are
1. from promoting porn sites, not mainstream sites, right? Im asking because you talk about about how you do mainstream.
2. from PPS or rev share? or both?
3. from promoting other peoples paysites or your own? or a mixture of both?

btw did you ever do movies, or entirely picture galleries?

1. Yes porn sites. I haven't been doing mainstream enough to develop trends and stats yet

2. Mostly PPS because it was from 2+ years back. Though I am starting to use more revshare, and npc was one of the first. It tells the same story.

3. Those were all from other peoples sites.

And yes I started with tgp. I did mostly pic galleries and haven't done much video at all. I sold very well on pic galleries back in 2001-2002

07-23-2006, 06:04 AM	#41 (permalink)
LerWick How can i help ya ? Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Slovakia Posts: 5,160 Points: 189	Thanks LB for this awesome thread, nice reading The most important for me is to make a work strategy, to make time for a work, and make time for the life, family, sports, friends.... thanks __________________ Start your business at Thumblogger, withJuggCash

07-24-2006, 08:30 PM	#46 (permalink)
Head Boy Net Baron Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: England Posts: 44,920 Points: 22,291	If you don't know which niche(s) to promote, then you could try my approach. Write down the things that you know you don't want to promote or that will make you feel uncomfortable. The hardest part of niche promotion these days is finding a good domain. Read the tips in the domain forum on hunting through the drop lists, and evaluating a phrase. Try to stick to 2 words on a .com unless it's something special. If you have any questions, then start a thread there, and ask your question. When you've found a nice two word domain like Throat Fucks then run it through wordtracker and overture to see what the surfers are looking for - throat fuck 1,629.0 /day fuck her throat 461.0 /day deep throat fuck 116.0 /day fuck my throat 93.0 /day fuck throat 58.0 /day throat fuck next door 54.0 /day rough throat fuck 48.0 /day extreme throat fuck 30.0 /day fuck her throat rough 20.0 /day teen throat fuck 20.0 /day throat fucks 19.0 /day hard throat fuck 16.0 /day forced throat fuck 14.0 /day throat fuck puke 14.0 /day brutal throat fuck 12.0 /day Note the masive difference between the singular and the plural, and remember that for your meta tags and SEO. Use the search phrases to select the sites you want to promote, and use google to research the niche. Get yourself a $5 multi-domain account with someone like Cyberwurx or Lela Hosting, and build a site using mainly FHGs with a few picture posts with text. Intersperse a few text pages, and don't forget the 404 page. Add the link to your sig, and submit it to as many reasonable sites as you can. Watch the stats, and see which pages get the most action and click throughs, and optimise by adding more pages - don't alter pages you have submitted. Look for another domain in a different niche, sub-niche or crossover-niche, and repeat the excercise. __________________ Baronets (incorporating Domains for Porn and G8S) is the new name for my domain management services.

07-25-2006, 12:46 AM	#47 (permalink)
Dagwolf Lord High Executioner Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: If I told you I'd have to kill you Posts: 4,724 Points: 145	Always with the good advice. I don't know how you find the time for these lengthy articles. __________________ Are you looking at my ass?

07-25-2006, 05:49 AM	#49 (permalink)
gotekix www.cashforge.com Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 327 Points: 600	Great advice LB. Should've made this post back when I was just getting started. __________________ Promote the Breast Expansion niche with CashForge.com Exclusive professionally-drawn comics, customizable tools including RSS feeds, Hosted Galleries and Hosted Flash Comics. Now with CCBill payouts! ICQ: 303833304

07-25-2006, 07:14 PM	#51 (permalink)
TheShiftyEyedBastard Just a Pirate Searchin' For Booty Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: stockton, ca Posts: 7,535 Points: 5	[quote=sparkman] "D. Create a portal every 2 weeks. A total of 3-4 good portal sites is enough to keep you busy while still bringing in some good sales. By portal I mean a multipage site with some content but mostly as a gateway to your sponsors. Do a netpond search on the newbie board for portal project. We have run 2 of them so far." Read the full thread before asking questions. Usually many are answered. __________________ <A HREF="http://www.netpond.com/newadmin/click.php?cat=10"><IMG SRC="http://www.netpond.com/newadmin/banner.php?cat=10" border=0></A><br> Kim Kardashian Video

07-23-2006, 09:42 AM	#42 (permalink)
Atlas busting my ass Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 440 Points: 0	_LB_, does it matter at all which niche you pick? Im really stuck on this. If you were starting over again and doing this great plan, would you go niche, or microniche? For example would you sell ebony, or teen ebony? Would you sell mature or hairy mature? I think I have a mental block on this because I've tried a lot of things in the past that have failed and Im afraid of putting a good hard effort into something and having it fail again. I often ask myself "What would a successful person do", so Im asking.. : ) Sorry to ask all of these questions but Im getting myself set up to start this tomorrow.

07-24-2006, 08:06 PM	#45 (permalink)
MJVegas Its not always sunny on sundays Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 315 Points: 1,675	Thank you and did I mention Thank you!!

07-25-2006, 07:32 PM	#52 (permalink)
fresh so fresh and so clean Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: I like You. See Sig Posts: 15,799 Points: 1,335	do search for portal, lb had a thread portal project too __________________ Adult Hosting - decent quality + good price 35$ per signup + Dating 1.25$-5.00$ per email = $$$

07-27-2006, 07:53 PM	#54 (permalink)
_LB_ Pornography Engineer Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 9,923 Points: 32	Some stats Had a very very long conversation with someone who wasn't entirely convinced with the long term plan I laid out. I am sure there are others who just don't believe that a slow starting long term plan could make more eventually than a fast traffic plan. Well since I did something similar, let me show you some of my traffic and income growth... While I started with tgp in 2000-2001, it was 2003 that I heavily got into building sites for the SE's, Portal sites and all other forms of sites designed for long term traffic and traffic growth. It has been a real eye opener hence the idea for this thread earlier this month. I have chosen 4 sponsors and did some screenshots of stats. I chose these sponsors basically because either they were sponsors I used only for portals and such sites, or they allowed me to do reports based on tags or campaign. This represents 2004 and 2005. I started heavily building in 2003, and so assume that there has been at least 6 months of growth for the 2004 stats, and 1.5 years for the 2005 reports. 2004 Stats : This sponsor would only allow 3 monthly reports so did one for each month period. Periods go from left to right ... top to bottom. (used a statsremote shot because I want no clue as to what the sponsor is sorry). But I use it 90% for portals, and there is a little bit of cpc in there, so its not all portal/se site stuff. 2005 Stats : Now you will notice that after around 1.5-2 years of building constantly ... returns have really taken off. It was almost overnight that the stats started going bananas ... and the many thousands of link trades etc started giving me some incredible listings in the SE's. This is when I dumped TGP and Link lists and other forms of wheelbarrow traffic generation techniques. Traffic has stabalised this year (2006) and in some cases is down a tad because I stopped building and reinforcing. My business is shifting though so this isn't necessarily a bad thing. Though surely these stats tell a story about a long term strategy's benefit. So maybe a long term approach isn't such a bad thing. I sure as hell would rather make these types of sales than still be earning $3-5k a month pushing wheelbarrow activities all day. I hope one day to retire from having to work long days and have that income still flowing in, and while I am far from it, my strategy laid out from 2003 has gone to plan .... so I see no reason why this work will be something I have to do daily That long term plan starting to look a little more tasty ? __________________ New Unsaturated Niche Sites! Make The Most Of Your Traffic!

07-27-2006, 08:04 PM	#55 (permalink)
Head Boy Net Baron Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: England Posts: 44,920 Points: 22,291	Long term growth will always generate more income than the fast buck, unless you spend all your time looking for the next fast buck of course. Even then there will come a time when the long term growth will overtake you. Long term growth will also build a capital asset, which is something webmasters seem to ignore with their constant focus on income. If I were to sell all my domains now, I would get a multiple of my total income since 2002. __________________ Baronets (incorporating Domains for Porn and G8S) is the new name for my domain management services.

07-27-2006, 08:44 PM	#56 (permalink)
Mihx Lesbian porn rocks! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Denmark Posts: 7,548 Points: 2,642	Very inspiring posts - again . Not to mention some hugely impressive numbers . One of the things I'm wondering (but admittedly I've only skimmed through this thread and it's been a while since I read any of your older ones, so I might have missed something) is how you manage to build up so much traffic with things like portals and SE sites? Getting a hundred thousand (mostly unproductive) hits to galleries isn't all that hard (never spent much time with galleries and freesites myself though), but SE traffic and link trade traffic to portal sites etc.? Whether it's blogs, portals or small SE sites (most of my experience is with the first one) I tend to very quickly hit a traffic ceiling, and even months later SE traffic hasn't improved much (sometimes it has actually dropped ). I imagine the key here is a vast number of sites, but I'm having a hard time seeing how you can manage to get at the very last a handful or two of link trades for eventually hundreds or thousands of small SE sites? I can't really imagine anyone would be too happy once I've sent them the 200th trade request for small five-page SE sites , and I imagine that the search engines would quickly start penalizing me if I interlinked my own sites heavily - even on a dozen hosts or more. I've so far mostly relied on blogs and now my review site for my income, but I've been wanting for a while to start building a load of those small keyword targeted SE sites (if not converting on their own then at least feed the some of the traffic to my main sites), but if they are just gonna sit there with 10-20 uniques a day because it's next to impossible to get link trades for most of them, I imagine it would afterall still be easier to stick to blogs where getting link trades is usually easy - even if traffic usually stagnates pretty quickly for me. __________________ Mike's Porn Site Reviews - because reading is good for you... Or something like that. [For site owners: I'm currently not accepting new requests at MPSR, but requests are open at my new site here. Link trade requests also welcome.]

07-27-2006, 09:03 PM	#57 (permalink)
Atlas busting my ass Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 440 Points: 0	LB, thank you for this. Just so I understand these stats youve posted...these are 1. from promoting porn sites, not mainstream sites, right? Im asking because you talk about about how you do mainstream. 2. from PPS or rev share? or both? 3. from promoting other peoples paysites or your own? or a mixture of both? btw did you ever do movies, or entirely picture galleries?