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Old 05-27-2007, 03:47 PM   #121 (permalink)
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I am getting pretty angry with all these people posting how making a successful bookmarking site is all about give and take.
I have dropped these people because they are take not give. I have dropped the new bookmarking site with a permanent front page featuring their own content...not gonna do it bud you write your own stuff.
I will tell you right now if in a week I go and do a site: mysite.com on google and I don't freaking see your site in that list mentioning my url you are worthless to me.
You can't provide me with a straight up link to my url then you don't need my freaking content you go with those 5 word descripts. Maybe enough of them and you can build you some SE traffic.
For the owner who says you don't have to post every day, the more people post DOH the more often google and other search bots view your site as fresh and worth crawling. So umm no thanks, I wont post at all
I am done ranting you social bookmarker owners know who you are and know what you are doing. I wish you luck but I don't screw you and I sure did not ask you to screw me.
For the few that actually do play it straight I will continue to submit.
I don't have adulse on my list and I am unsure why. I will have to look them over and see what is what on them.
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Old 05-27-2007, 06:16 PM   #122 (permalink)
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Chimera, instead of just beating around the bush, why don't you be totally up front and talk about the sites are you are pissed at?

I for one would love to know if you speak of my site, so that I can make the necessary changes to fix the errors you speak of
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Old 05-27-2007, 09:12 PM   #123 (permalink)
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Chimera, instead of just beating around the bush, why don't you be totally up front and talk about the sites are you are pissed at?

I for one would love to know if you speak of my site, so that I can make the necessary changes to fix the errors you speak of
Yeah, it's good to hear feedback, and Chimera, some of the sites ur talking about might not even realize what they're doing wrong.

For example, the thing with the link redirect seems to be an automatic feature of Pligg sites. My site was doing it, and after looking it up in the forums on their site, I learned how it could be disabled.

I'm submitting to these sites too, so I feel ur pain. I had this domain for awhile and wanted to do something fun with it, so decided to give this project a go. I also appreciate the folks who took time to submit so far, and if there are any other suggestions, I wanna hear them so I can take care of it ASAP. Either post in this thread, or PM me anytime.

I hope other Pligg owners will disable the redirect feature too, and anyone who's having trouble with it can PM me for details.
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Old 05-28-2007, 12:14 AM   #124 (permalink)
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Yeah, it's good to hear feedback, and Chimera, some of the sites ur talking about might not even realize what they're doing wrong.

For example, the thing with the link redirect seems to be an automatic feature of Pligg sites. My site was doing it, and after looking it up in the forums on their site, I learned how it could be disabled.

I'm submitting to these sites too, so I feel ur pain. I had this domain for awhile and wanted to do something fun with it, so decided to give this project a go. I also appreciate the folks who took time to submit so far, and if there are any other suggestions, I wanna hear them so I can take care of it ASAP. Either post in this thread, or PM me anytime.

I hope other Pligg owners will disable the redirect feature too, and anyone who's having trouble with it can PM me for details.
yeah, it is default with pligg, but phpdug links directly to the post on the listing pages andin the MORE INFO page, which I LOVE....which was honestly the deciding factor in me choosing phpdug for www.porndiggity.com

yeah, phpdug has it major issues, but the guys are amazing about implementing new shit....if I think of something I want, I post in their forums and they add it into the next released every time...and released come every 2-3 weeks
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Old 05-28-2007, 08:53 AM   #125 (permalink)
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Okay I've performed a small research on those social bookimarking sites in my database:
Good sites so far, they do publish your posts and use good SE friendly links:
http://www.nipplebyte.com
http://www.mosexindex.com
http://www.porndiggity.com
http://www.socialporn.com
http://www.smuthunting.com - has almost no traffic however,
http://www.spankwire.com - probably the best one, good traffic,
http://www.xxxsocial.com - wish it had some traffic however,
http://www.theblackgallery.com - no traffic either,
http://www.adultdugger.com - very little traffic as well,



Crap ones, either won't publish after good 1-2 weeks or use redirect, better to avoid those as they are a waste of time right now:
http:// w ww. splutr. c om - redirects and did not publish me for well over 3 weeks,
http:// w ww. adulse. c om - redirects, problems submitting from free hosts such as thumblogger,
http://w ww. allfluff. c om - redirect and problems with freehosts, won't publish,
htt p://linkfap. c om - redirect and does not publish for good 2 weeks,
ht t p://ww w.pornogg. co m - redirect and won't publish anything, avoid,
ht tp://ww w.jizzytissue.c o. uk - redirects and doesn't publish,
htt p://w ww.socialsmut. co m - it publishes but redirect has to go, deleting for now,
ht tp://ww w.hotmarkr.c om - same as above,
htt p://ww w.passiondiaries.co m - it DOES publish your links, however combined with no traffic that redirect has to go,
http://ww w.pornslapper.c o m - will publish you but no traffic with redirect = waste of time.

Obviously with a little research we are now left with nine sites worth publishing to. Only three of them would send you noticeable traffic and are worth having their backlink on your resource.
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Old 05-28-2007, 09:14 AM   #126 (permalink)
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Venthril Your list matches mine though for some odd reason I do not have adulse in there as yet.
I did away with the same sites as you however there were some added reasons.

For example passion diaries had a fixed and probably still does, front page filled with their own stuff. Worthless, combined with that nasty redirect.

Pornalicious does send some hits however more than 60 percent of the hits on anything you publish go to their link trade partners and they send it with a redirect in a frame. Worthless to me, let them build their own traffic.

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Old 05-28-2007, 09:23 AM   #127 (permalink)
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http://www.pornslapper.com - will publish you but no traffic with redirect = waste of time.
The site is two weeks old. Thanks for helping me grow this new site, not!

Do you expect that a two week old site will instantly send you hundreds of clicks for free, for 30 seconds of your time? I am working on building traffic (despite being on vacation) and receiving a couple of hundred a day at the moment which will all go out to submitters (there are no ads on the site and very few of my own links). Jeez give it a chance!

As for the redirect issue, I understand from the above posts that this is a default "feature", although I'm not exactly sure what is meant by the term "redirect" in this context. But I'll look into it and make it as submitter friendly as possible.
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Old 05-28-2007, 09:42 AM   #128 (permalink)
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No need to be bitter at all. Even if your site has almost no traffic, it may be worth posting to purely for SE purposes. I've only added it to no go list due to redirects.

Now compare these two postings:
http://www.nipplebyte.com/link/2115/...Boys_On_Camera

and this

http://www.pornslapper.com/Hardcore/...oys_On_Camera/

Now pay attention to what kind of URLs point to my blog http://groupsexmoms.com

First one gives me a backlink, while second does not. Why should I bother posting to it then? There is zero benefit for me, while you at least get keyword rich text, which is loved by SE. From what I understand, these social bookmarking sites get crawled for their nice texts we all write, giving you nice SE traffic. This is in theory at least. Hence why you should not ask for backlinks, UNLESS you give decent traffic.

Perhaps something escaped my mind, otherwise I don't understand why should we post to these sites at all, while there are already 1000's of link lists and blog directories requiring backlinks and what not.
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Old 05-28-2007, 09:56 AM   #129 (permalink)
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Well Nottslad here is how it is.

If your site points to my site up and up. It is good for us both. I am going to write those long descriptions that are full of juicy keywords and I am going to submit to you.


now check out this

http://www.porndiggity.com/

Which site given the choice of two one with a http://mysocialbookmarksite?linkout or the guy with the straight up link, given they both have no traffic are you going to want to take the time with. The guy with the redirect or the guy who gives you a straight up honest to goodness link that is search engine friendly?
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Old 05-28-2007, 10:29 AM   #130 (permalink)
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Sure, I see your point. I've just researched the settings and have already fixed the 'redirect' at pornslapper. There are now direct links out for each submission (one in the summary and two on the detail page)

What kind of irks me a little is the "waste of time" comment going out to possibly hundreds of potential submitters who may well be put off from submitting now. Coming at a time when a site is new and is/was growing slowly but surely.

There's also the assumption that by having the out script present it is some deliberate devious attempt by the site owner to deprive the submitter of any benefits for his own advantage. This might be the case for some sites but I can assure you in mine it is not.
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Old 05-28-2007, 10:36 AM   #131 (permalink)
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Not at all. It all should benefit both parties, while in cases stated by Chimera, some of socialbookmark site owners are clearly cheating. We will never hesitate to warn posters about such cases.

I will add your site back to my database now, the only problem with it was the redirect. No traffic is not nessesarily a bad thing, just does not warrant putting a backlink to you at this time IMO. My blogs are already cluttered with links to those sites that send more traffic, and I am not the one like this. Its the same for everyone, so for backlink you must offer some benefit.

This list was mainly to warn about those who never publish anything but their own stuff, trying to get an unfair advantage (some even ask for backlinks). I understand that redirect is not always intended, but if it is present, I won't submit to such a site as it is absolutely useless to me to do so.
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Old 05-28-2007, 01:17 PM   #132 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Venril Sathir
Okay I've performed a small research on those social bookimarking sites in my database:
Good sites so far, they do publish your posts and use good SE friendly links:
http://www.nipplebyte.com
http://www.mosexindex.com
http://www.porndiggity.com
http://www.socialporn.com
http://www.smuthunting.com - has almost no traffic however,
http://www.spankwire.com - probably the best one, good traffic,
http://www.xxxsocial.com - wish it had some traffic however,
http://www.theblackgallery.com - no traffic either,
http://www.adultdugger.com - very little traffic as well,



Crap ones, either won't publish after good 1-2 weeks or use redirect, better to avoid those as they are a waste of time right now:
http:// w ww. splutr. c om - redirects and did not publish me for well over 3 weeks,
http:// w ww. adulse. c om - redirects, problems submitting from free hosts such as thumblogger,
http://w ww. allfluff. c om - redirect and problems with freehosts, won't publish,
htt p://linkfap. c om - redirect and does not publish for good 2 weeks,
ht t p://ww w.pornogg. co m - redirect and won't publish anything, avoid,
ht tp://ww w.jizzytissue.c o. uk - redirects and doesn't publish,
htt p://w ww.socialsmut. co m - it publishes but redirect has to go, deleting for now,
ht tp://ww w.hotmarkr.c om - same as above,
htt p://ww w.passiondiaries.co m - it DOES publish your links, however combined with no traffic that redirect has to go,
http://ww w.pornslapper.c o m - will publish you but no traffic with redirect = waste of time.
Hey, I wasn't on the whitelist...or the blacklist. I think I've fixed things pretty nicely now, so maybe you can take another look and possibly add me somewhere, with a low traffic warning...as the site's only a couple weeks old! Haha, even bad publicity is better than no publicity...so let me know what you think:

http://www.sexualfuture.com/

As for recips, there's no recip required. The point is that anyone can submit something to be voted on...even Joe porn surfer. I just put a toplist in the sidebar as an option, so at least if someone does send hits, they will get something in return. It also works on any page, so people can send a hit from an Asian site to:

http://www.sexualfuture.com/category/AsianPorn

...and be automatically listed on the Asian category page. Just something people may want to do in the future when the site has more traffic, but again, this is totally optional! I really appreciate the folks who've taken the time to submit there so far, and hope others will give a chance to sites where owners are making an effort to respond to feedback.
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Old 05-28-2007, 01:35 PM   #133 (permalink)
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By avoiding naming names I was trying to avoid blacklisting or white listing anyone.
I just wanted the owners and the submitters to know there are issues and what I personally look for.
Actually I have your site on a submit to list but it slipped down from my toolbar And I normally submit to you guys daily but I am involved in something else right now and am not submitting right today.
Acryllic, I totally love the straight link out, just that one item makes your site worthwhile to me even if you have no traffic if google visits you every so often you have provided us with value, and we in return should provide you with lots of nice keyword rich text, nice interesting content from our site, making for more love for you by the SEs, and your surfers when they come, though I hope you are opening these links in new windows so the surfer can find his way back home too
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Hey Chimera, thanks for the kind words. I've pointed a bunch of one-way links from blogs to the site, so it is being spidered regularly. Also the links all open in new windows. You had some great submissions before, so looking forward to more of your stuff in the future!
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Old 05-28-2007, 04:02 PM   #135 (permalink)
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I'm just curious about one thing here. If I were a bookmark owner (which I don't really have time for at this time) I would probably save direct linking out to the submitter for the second page where they read more.
Is there a reason you guys aren't?
I am saying this only because it leads both the surfer and the SEs deeper into your site and gives them both something to chew on.
It's not like it hurts me as a submitter either way if you link from that second read more page or you link on the front one because in there you have given me an SE friendly link and the spider will find it.
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Old 05-28-2007, 05:24 PM   #136 (permalink)
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I'm just curious about one thing here. If I were a bookmark owner (which I don't really have time for at this time) I would probably save direct linking out to the submitter for the second page where they read more.
Yeah, I've thought about it, and still haven't decided which way is better yet. The main reason I have the link straight out on the main page is that I think it's more user friendly. They can surf through the links without having to wait for an extra page to load each time.

Also, there's a "read more" link on each submission which leads to it's full description page...so that page is still getting spidered. Seems to work for sites like digg.com so I'm gonna keep it that way for now and see how it goes. Hey, thanks for the submission BTW!
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Old 05-29-2007, 12:29 AM   #137 (permalink)
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I'm just curious about one thing here. If I were a bookmark owner (which I don't really have time for at this time) I would probably save direct linking out to the submitter for the second page where they read more.
Is there a reason you guys aren't?
I am saying this only because it leads both the surfer and the SEs deeper into your site and gives them both something to chew on.
It's not like it hurts me as a submitter either way if you link from that second read more page or you link on the front one because in there you have given me an SE friendly link and the spider will find it.
I do it mainly because that is the way digg does it

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btw, for those asking who did my redesign on www.porndiggity.com

it was me

I might have time for more phpdug design now that I have it down, but I need to finish mine before anything else....the story pages are proving to be a little tricky
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Old 05-29-2007, 02:15 AM   #139 (permalink)
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Just got a mail from the pligg board that there is a serious Security Vulnerability

http://forums.pligg.com/showthread.php?p=30354

"We have a patch available here and advise you to apply this immediately"
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